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Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:24 pm

Can anybody shed some light on this frame?
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby drubie » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:01 am

Aussie / Adelaide based company, made a wide range of bikes from basic hi-tensile "10 speeds", good quality cr-mo "sports" bikes, tandems, ladies bikes. Bought by Repco eventually.

Stem shifters, chrome dork disk on the cottered steel cranks, safety brake handles makes that one an entry level job, probably early eighties. Good candidate for fixed conversion as it will have a minimum of braze-ons for derailleurs (should have an axle mount derailleur at the back), plenty of room in the drop outs for chain adjustment, not one of the road frames that somebody will complain about (not an elite in other words). Only bummer being 27" wheels and it'll probably be heavy but otherwise if it isn't rusty it should make an adequate bike.
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:03 am

your a legend mate
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:34 am

sorry i might sound a bit noob
but could somebody link me to a nice and cheap crank that would fit onto this bike
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby brauluver » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:48 am

Low end clunker,Heavy.
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby drubie » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:58 am

ag23q wrote:sorry i might sound a bit noob
but could somebody link me to a nice and cheap crank that would fit onto this bike


You'll have to measure across the bottom bracket and then the axle and get the widths first, it might be a standard 68mm bottom bracket with english threading (should be). Toss the cottered crank and BB out.

This thing:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-DRIVELINE-Track-Fixie-Bike-Crank-Crankset-SILVER-/170545290241?pt=AU_Sport_Cycling_Parts&hash=item27b54a9c01

With this:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SHIMANO-FIXIE-TRACK-BIKE-BOTTOM-BRACKET-68x118-68-x-118-/290462174681?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a0e50dd9

It's important to measure first - buy something too narrow and it won't fit, too wide and your chainline will be a mess.

(and brauluver, that frame might be no good as a retro racer, but as a fixed it saves hacking up a high-end frame)
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby brauluver » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:15 am

[quote="drubie(and brauluver, that frame might be no good as a retro racer, but as a fixed it saves hacking up a high-end frame)[/quote]

I'm hearin ya...but I happen to think these bikes are better left as a lock up around town/station type of bike, that is highly unlikely to get stolen.
A nice Cro mo roadie (ala repco/apollo) would make a much nicer conversion.
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby drubie » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:24 am

brauluver wrote:I'm hearin ya...but I happen to think these bikes are better left as a lock up around town/station type of bike, that is highly unlikely to get stolen.
A nice Cro mo roadie (ala repco/apollo) would make a much nicer conversion.


True, but with fixie stuff being popular, you could park two Ricardos next to each other (say, that one with the axle mount derailleur and a nice late eighties Tangie 900 elite) and the lower spec one would go first - simply because the dropouts are more suited to fixie conversion.

I see a bit of it here at the tip shop - people are taking some seriously crummy frames and leaving the good ones. Great for me this month (scored an Olympic 12 AND a Ricardo Elite), puzzling on the face of it to see hi-ten Centurions and Road Kings being "more valuable" but digging through the pictures on this site, I am really impressed with the bikes that are getting turned out.
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:56 pm

thanks drubie!
is there any good and easy to follow tutorials on the cottered to cotterless conversion?
i would really like to read up on that and do it :)/

thanks again!
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby drubie » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:05 pm

ag23q wrote:is there any good and easy to follow tutorials on the cottered to cotterless conversion?
i would really like to read up on that and do it :)/


Start, as always, with Sheldon:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_bo-z.html#bottom
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:28 pm

just went and played around with it a bit, its not a cottered crank thank god,
and the bottom bracket measures 68mm
i just need a crank puller now!
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby munga » Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:01 pm

loosen the bolts 3 full turns and go for a ride
voila! cranks off.
i hold no responsibilty for missing teeth or testicles
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:27 pm

does the bottom bracket stay in tho?
and does just the crank come out?
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby drubie » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:44 am

ag23q wrote:does the bottom bracket stay in tho?
and does just the crank come out?


The crank is held on by compression - loosening the bolts on either side of the axle allows it to slip sideways on the axle itself.
The axle won't move until you take off the "cups" that are screwed into the bottom bracket.

Munga wasn't joking about teeth etc. damage - I'd loosen the crank bolts rather than take them off completely. Better still, an crank remover is less than $30 and a well worthwhile investment. They screw into the crank and pull the axle off without putting your, ah, self in any danger of injury.
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:42 am

oh kay,
when i install the crankset will it automatically be aligned with my fixed gear cog on my rear wheel?
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:44 pm

coming along nicely, just stripped the forks to see how it would turn out :)
im just waiting on a crank puller
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ps. does anyone know how to get a chain off without the tool [dw i will not be re using aha]
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby yehuwdiy » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:41 pm

Well, there are a few ways, all of them frustrating and possibly dangerous! Seriously, just buy the tool. I know this is not what you wanted to hear, but, it is one of those tools you will use a lot. That, and they last forever and are cheap. I've honestly spent more on tools than I ever have bikes.

This of course assumes you will be doing more work on bikes in the future!
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby aaron » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:48 pm

There is no tool to take the chain off!!!! Use your fingernails, knife or screwdriver!!
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby brauluver » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:17 pm

Grinder, bolt cuters if you don't want to salvage it.
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:28 pm

yeah, iv been thinking about buying the tools but iv also wondered if i just poped in to a lbs and just asked them to borrow the tool for a min infront of them would they mind do you rekon?
i dont mind paying a small fee or whatever but its cheaper than them charging me for a full job and on top of that i want to learnnnnn!

mmmmmm maybe i should just buy the tool ahaha
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby aaron » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:38 pm

What tool do you think you need to take off the chain?
Can you see the chain link bit?
Looks like this...but all together
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby ag23q » Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:44 pm

cant you use a chain breaker tool?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Chain-Breaker-To ... _500wt_749
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby aaron » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:37 pm

ag23q wrote:cant you use a chain breaker tool?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Chain-Breaker-To ... _500wt_749


Yes but if there's a link it'll cost nothing and be over and done with in 2 minutes.
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby drubie » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:52 pm

aaron wrote:
ag23q wrote:cant you use a chain breaker tool?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Chain-Breaker-To ... _500wt_749


Yes but if there's a link it'll cost nothing and be over and done with in 2 minutes.


Quick links are relatively new - and unlikely to be found on that bike. If it's one of the older "fish swims upriver" type ones that you've identified in the picture above, just use pliers to remove the sliding plate and the rest comes apart easily.

Seriously though, a chain tool is somewhere between $5 and $12 on the wall at your local bike shop or occasionally as part of the folding bike tools down at k-mart and big-w (not always). They are seriously cheap and save lots of time.
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Re: Ricardo project

Postby kerolah » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:16 pm

screw a crank puller, those cranks are ugly anyways. Sorry :P

get a hammer a old rag wd 40 it then hammer away. it will pop off in 30 hits =] exactaly...
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