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Oh, for the informed ...

Postby Aushiker » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:43 am

G'day

I just had to share this ... it was posted this past week on the newsgroup, aus.bicycles in response to a question about riding a trike. Quoted verbatim ...

Only once did I ever see anyone on a bent pass me while he rode
on a flat bit of highway parallel to the cycle path where I was on an
upright.

The dude was young, strong, and fit, and I was 35 years older, a bit
heavy,
and not too fit or strong at that time.
And bents are really useless up hills. Ya can't do a good standing
sprint when ya wanna.

I pass them real fast then. Most time on a bike or bent is spent going
uphill.
Bents are only faster on the flat or down hill where the lower frontal
area gives less wind drag.

Nearly everyone I see riding a bent is doing it for fun and short
distances.
They just gotta try porridge.
I doubt too many decide to ride 200km a week just for fitness and
freedom like I do.

I have 23mm tyres and both my bikes have 531 and 753R steel frames and
yes I gotta stand a bit on pedals
over bumps and and lift the front wheel a bit over kerbs. I'm not as
good as the kids i see on bmx though.
My odometer shows 7,500 km since Jan8 this year when I bought the
cyclometer. No broken bones, and no stiff neck from leaning
foward and looking up. The position is a bit critical, and gets moreso
as you age.
If I lowered the handle bars to full time trial race position which the
good young blokes use
I'd soon get a bad neck out of it. I raced for 6 years 20 years back as
a veteran and
often did a time trial and if I lowered the bars only 5mm more than
usual i'd get a crook neck.
The setting was that critical then. I have the bars about 10mm higher
now than 20 years back.
But I have found what works. Sitting any more upright would make more
weight
on me arse, and cause arse fatigue too easily, so you need your arms to
take some weight.
Arms should be slightly bent, and absorb the bumps which you should see
coming.
Belive it or not, the right position that looks a bit awkward to non
cyclists
can be a comfortable one, like your'e a bird on wings, and at one with
your wheels.
But once last year I misjudged a bump between grass and bike path as a
storm that week
had washed it out deeper. So when I tried to first push down before
lifting the front the
wheel hit the 100m ridge as a shallow angle. "SPROING!" went the frame
and
the bump so dislodged me that I lost all conrol and fell like a sack of
potatoes on the tarmac
and to the astonishment of two runners coming the other way.
I didn't break anything although I punctured a front tyre. The grazing
to one ankle took 3 months to heal
after the infection was stopped.
I used to be able to ride 300km at one sitting. I rode 300km to Sydney
from Canberra one day aged 42, no worries.
Rested a day there and on the way back stayed at Goulburn. Later I did a
charity ride with a bunch from
Kings Cross Sydney to the top of Black Mt in Canberra, 300km from 1am to
4pm with the last 100km in a very stiff headwind.

I doubt i could have achieved this sorta travel on a bent and people
don't see you coming too well.

All up I must have ridden about 120,000 km so far over 8 years when I
have ridden bikes keenly.
I have had a few real bad necks though but not from cycling as far as i
can tell.
I used to be a builder and i did all my own carpentry on the contracts i
did.
I found putting up sheets of gyprock on ceilings and hammering or screw
driving upwards
with a sheet on my head would cause a stiff neck.
So I found a really good lady doctor who was also a very **good**
accupuncturist.
I'd been in agony and off work for 3 weeks and she had me right after
one vist and 20 minutes with 4 needles.
Pain free, and it worked a miracle. I've had a few very bad backs, and
have been reduced to crawling around the house
on all fours, and a good accupuncturist has had me right in no time.
Had a bad arm 3 years ago, couldn't type a website. Saw my accu guy, and
two visits later he had me perfect
and I typed me arse off for 6 months getting a website done.
Yoga also helps.
Chiropractics and physiotherapy usually didn't do much at all and often
made things worse.
Slow release Voltaren worked well at first, then next time not so well
and then it had side effects.
Ya can't depend on pills.

I ain't ready to buy a bent.
10km a day to work and 10km back home 5 days a week is only 100km, and
childs play.
I ride 200km a week to keep fit.
3 rides a week. I work at home, and have to do something arduous lest I
rot to pieces
in mind and body because the older you get the better you was.

I cannot do the huge rides i used to do 20 years ago, but 100km with
cheerful company
in warmer months is fine.
At 61 I don't often get a sore arse, and my back is fine, weight is back
where it was at 30, and soon my pool will warm to allow me to swim
300metres a day ( 35 laps ) and this will ease the "stange contortions"
that one
subjects oneself to on a push bike.
I have leather Brooke saddles on both bikes. Left adjusted slightly
loose they can be very uncomfortable.
So ya gotta know when to give the adjust screw a turn to tighten the
leather.
Not too much or you'll fatigue the leather. The bolt breaks after about
10,000km, and i've
broken two while out on a ride.
I replace the standard 8mm bolt with a home made 10mm one and no more
worries until finally
the leather yields at the front of the saddle and you need to spend on a
new saddle.
Some of the Brooke saddles have different types of rivetting leather and
there's a difference how long they'll last.
Depends how far ya ride a bit, and how often you grease up the saddle
with the Brooke mixture.
Don't leave ya bike against a wall sitting out in the sun.
I tried lotsa different saddles, gel-filled, foam rubber, and after
awhile they all felt like a concrete seat.
The leather has slight give, and your perineum is slung between the for
and aft fixing of the leather.
One has to get into the habit of moving off the seat to stand on the
pedals even on long flat stretches of road
to give your arse a rest.
It becomes second nature to be dynamic on the bike.

And don't forget to shave between your prick and your arsole every few
weeks because if your'e hairy down there
it leads to saddle sores.

Some lanoline rubbed on helps stop the chaffing.
Good cyclist get slim so they don't chafe much.

Who'd *need* a bent?

A trike would be grand with a battery and motor fitted for the hills.


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Postby Kalgrm » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:39 am

He gets a smile and a wave from me then. Obviously knows more about 'bents than the people who ride them do.

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Postby Aushiker » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:51 am

Kalgrm wrote:He gets a smile and a wave from me then. Obviously knows more about 'bents than the people who ride them do.

Cheers,
Graeme


:lol:, yes. I took a look at the statistics on BikeJournal and politely pointed out that the number 1 rider is on a bent and is averaging well over 450 km per week. The riders blog is at http://randrides.blogspot.com/ and last post there points out further the silliness of the au.bicycles posting.

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Postby Freddyflatfoot » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:52 pm

Gee, I don't ride very far then!
I'm only averaging 700 k's a month! I;m actually riding more than when I rode a DF.
Guess you cant do long distances on a bent!
Do you think we should tell the guys that do PBP?
Or John Schlitter, who just completed RAAM?
Or maybe Sam Whittingham, who just got the new world speed record of over 132 kph?

BTW, I just took a spill on my ride yesterday, riding with a group of DF riders. They didn't think I was slow!
Oh, I took a spill crossing some wet rail tracks. Front wheel slid out and I slid on my right side. Some minor bruising, and a small amount of road rash on my forearm and buttock.
First decent spill riding a bent, and having done the same on a DF, I know what I'd prefer to be riding! Know too many guys that have broken colar bones doing that!
And I just walked away. (Well, actually, got back on the bike and rode home, and still at a healthy clip too!)

Given the choice, I'd rather be bent!
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Postby Kalgrm » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:47 pm

Freddyflatfoot wrote:Given the choice, I'd rather be bent!

Amen to that, brother! :)

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Postby Uba Tracker » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:39 pm

Hey thanks for posting that Andrew, if nothing else it keeps us all up to date on the opinion/s of some of the poorly informed one eyed hicks that feel the need to $hit bag something simply because they don't understand it. I doubt seriously that he will ever see the light of 'bent liberation' since he hasn't even discovered the underlying spirituality of cycling regardless of the discipline. Sure he's done the miles (so he claims) but to what end, so he can grand stand about his legendary efforts as a gun cyclist 100 years ago, like the old adage states, " Don't knock it 'til you try it."

cheers all

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Postby PEDALPOWER44 » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:38 am

:shock: :( :? :evil:

On ya Harry :D

Makes me wan't to go out & ride MY RECUMBENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers

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Postby Joeblake » Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:10 pm

I know this thread has been dormant for a while but forgive me, I'm a noobie here.
:lol:
I don't know that I could reply to ALL of this but:

Only once did I ever see anyone on a bent pass me while he rode on a flat bit of highway parallel to the cycle path where I was on an upright.

(Since this whole piece seems to be about ill informed stereotyping or irrelevant waffle) I'd say that's probably because bent riders are not so ill mannered as to ride on a road with motor vehicles when there's an alternative available, causing aggravation to car drivers etc.

The dude was young, strong, and fit, and I was 35 years older, a bit heavy, and not too fit or strong at that time.

He seems to think it's unusual for people to be young, fitter and stronger. And how did he know the age difference was 35 years? This guy might have been older, but was a LOT fitter and so LOOKED 35 years younger.

And bents are really useless up hills. Ya can't do a good standing sprint when ya wanna.

Well since it's difficult to stand on a 'bent on the flat, why make the point about hills? My experience is that a 'bent trike can haul a MUCH heavier load up a hill, because they don't fall over when you pedal slowly. And in any case with a 'bent you don't have to pull on the handlebars. You push with your whole body, stomach, back, legs etc

Most time on a bike or bent is spent going uphill.

I hadn't realised that bikes and bents created their own hills. I thought it was all because of geology.

Bents are only faster on the flat or down hill where the lower frontal area gives less wind drag.

Sounds like a pretty good reason to ride one for my money.

Nearly everyone I see riding a bent is doing it for fun and short distances.

If this bloke spent more time riding instead of stopping 'bent riders and asking about their motives for riding he'd probably actually get somewhere.

I doubt too many decide to ride 200km a week just for fitness and freedom like I do.

That sounds like he lives in a democracy where people can make their own decisions.

I have 23mm tyres and both my bikes have 531 and 753R steel frames and
yes I gotta stand a bit on pedals over bumps and and lift the front wheel a bit over kerbs. I'm not as good as the kids i see on bmx though. My odometer shows 7,500 km since Jan8 this year when I bought the cyclometer. ...

...with a bunch from Kings Cross Sydney to the top of Black Mt in Canberra, 300km from 1am to 4pm with the last 100km in a very stiff headwind.


All of which has got what to do with riding a 'bent is beyond me.

I doubt i could have achieved this sorta travel on a bent ...

Well, he seems able to admit that he has SOME shortcoming.


I ain't ready to buy a bent.

And so on ...

Who'd *need* a bent?

I think I can guess.

A trike would be grand with a battery and motor fitted for the hills.

I've got one, and yes, it IS grand. Especially when I'm towing about 20 kg of shopping in my trailer.

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Postby Uba Tracker » Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:11 pm

Hi Joe welcome to the forum mate. Thanks for sharing your synopsis of the passage in question, I had quite a chuckle :lol: while reading it. I like your style.

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Postby william » Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:11 pm

I had to reply to this humorous posting as I have a riding buddy with the same opinions and his blindness still amazes me.
His analogy is that bents cannot draught, cannot sprint, cannot ride up hills ...???
Ahh! Poor guy. We're riding around the bay tomorrow and I'm going to hit him on the head with my flag when I fly past him. Especially against the wind, downhill, on the flats, up the hills and away from the lights. He's coming back with a sore head.

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Postby Kalgrm » Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:40 pm

My favourite part of his rant:

Bents are only faster on the flat or down hill where the lower frontal area gives less wind drag.


In other words, 'bents are only faster over two of the three types of terrain (flat, downhill and uphill), and whenever there is any wind resistance. :roll: I guess I'm just lucky that I live in a flat, windy city - 'bents are only faster for 90% of my riding. :)

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Postby Freddyflatfoot » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:50 am

William,
You'll have to give us a ride report on ATBIAD!
Did you whoop your mates a***?
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Postby william » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:40 pm

Just briefly...

Yeahhh!

We got on the same ferry but he arrived 1 hour 10 mins after me in Melbourne.

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