Best airline company to take a bicycle with? PER>FRANKFURT
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Postby elStado » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:58 pm
Noticed most airline companies want to charge an arm and a leg for special luggage like a bicycle.
Lufthansa airlines want around $200 for the bike for each direction of travel.
KLM allow a single item up to 23kg, which would be ok except that I wanted to bring my main bag as well for general clothes and gear which will be checked in and weigh ~12kg. Excess items will cost +100 EUR.
Other airlines are much the same.
Can anyone recommend an airline that is good with excess/oversize baggage and isn't super expensive all up? I should have my new Vivente World Randonneur this time next week and it would be nice to take it over with me.
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Postby Meditator » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:07 am
Other bargain basement airlines may charge you something for your bike but not so much. These airlines have a low starting fare and everything else is added on to it - seat booking, extra luggage, meals and so on but it still all adds up pretty cheap.
I don't really know the names of them apart from asia air which no longer flies to europe. But dig around and you will find them.
Also ask on thorntree lonely planet.com on the bike branch.
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Postby RonK » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:24 am
When looking at ticket prices it important to consider baggage charges - the cheapest ticket price could be the dearer overall.
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Postby elStado » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:01 pm
Pay 75 EUR bike fee for MA flights ex. Europe airport. Classed as extra baggage.
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Postby il padrone » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:28 pm
+1 to Emirates. A few friends of mine have flown with them due to their higher baggage limit.RonK wrote:Friends usually travel to France with bikes using Emirates. I think they have a 30 kg baggage allowance.
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Postby scirocco » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:17 pm
+2 to Emirates. Have been to Europe twice with them in the last few years. With the 30kg limit you can avoid any extra charges. I can get the personal baggage down to about 14kg (enough for 3 weeks in European summer) and bike in cardboard box about 16kg.il padrone wrote:+1 to Emirates. A few friends of mine have flown with them due to their higher baggage limit.RonK wrote:Friends usually travel to France with bikes using Emirates. I think they have a 30 kg baggage allowance.
But they are more expensive than the cheapy airlines. I only really fly them because I like the flight time split through Dubai and the departure timetable. The baggage is just a bonus. If cost is more important than time/connections/convenience then go with Malaysian or Air Asia.
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Postby elStado » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:21 pm
Yep, Emirates, Finnair and KLM seem to be the best two options. Really comes down to which airline has other good features, lowest total price and the least amount of time in transit.scirocco wrote:+2 to Emirates. Have been to Europe twice with them in the last few years. With the 30kg limit you can avoid any extra charges. I can get the personal baggage down to about 14kg (enough for 3 weeks in European summer) and bike in cardboard box about 16kg.
Hopefully I'll be able to get the bike down to around 20kg with some gear packed into it, my main luggage at 10kg and my carry on around 6kg. Least amount to haul around the better (I am doing more than just bike tour.. so I need to take over some regular gear too).
True. As a side note Air Asia had a very good value oversize/special baggage policy, alas they have suspended all flights to Europe.. real bummer as I flew with them last time and it only cost $1500 all up.. this time I am looking at ~$2,200+But they are more expensive than the cheapy airlines. I only really fly them because I like the flight time split through Dubai and the departure timetable. The baggage is just a bonus. If cost is more important than time/connections/convenience then go with Malaysian or Air Asia.
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Postby ColinOldnCranky » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:24 pm
Very easy.
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Postby Meditator » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:14 pm
That will be an airport charge then due to the baggage handlers.elStado wrote:Malasia Airlines = 20kg total, pay excess for any more weight. Bike included as normal.
Pay 75 EUR bike fee for MA flights ex. Europe airport. Classed as extra baggage.
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Postby hiflange » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:51 pm
I did stumble across a great baggage comparison site back then, had a fossick, can't find it now
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Postby elStado » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:24 am
Here's my updated one (you may have to zoom out your browser to show the whole table):RobertFrith wrote:Emirates. I flew with them to Italy last year. Best price AND 30kg of baggage, hard to beat. I needed every last gram too!
I did stumble across a great baggage comparison site back then, had a fossick, can't find it now
EMirates look like a good go as they have very flexible and generous baggage allowances, as well as the fastest, most direct no-fuss flights.
However if I can get this flight with Lufthansa for $1,800 (on special) even taking into account the extra ~$380 AUD it will cost to take the bike with me (150 EUR, ~$190 each way).
Total cost would be ~$2,180 with Lufthansa and they are also more direct and almost as fast as Emirates. My one concern is that Singapore Airlines will be doing the flight from Perth to Singapore before I get onto a Lufthansa plane.. not sure how baggage allowances will come into that. Another reason why Emirates are good.. simplicity of a single airline the whole trip.
The bike should be around 23-25kg if I load it up, maybe 10-12kg worth of my own gear and 5kg in my carry on. I normally travel light, but having to take over all this bike, camping and cooking gear will weigh me down quite a bit.
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Postby elStado » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:30 am
As I feared you have to pay Singapore Airlines for the first part of the trip, they charge 6xkg for 15kg and then for every kg over (at $22 per kg) , and then 150 EUR coming back ex. Germany.elStado wrote:Total cost would be ~$2,180 with Lufthansa and they are also more direct and almost as fast as Emirates. My one concern is that Singapore Airlines will be doing the flight from Perth to Singapore before I get onto a Lufthansa plane.. not sure how baggage allowances will come into that. Another reason why Emirates are good.. simplicity of a single airline the whole trip.
So it will be around $270 there, and $190 back. I might even have to pay Lufthansa on the way there on top of Singapore Airlines.
Now I have to consider.. is it really worth spending $700 extra to go with Emirates just to take my bike over? Or should I just pocket the money and buy a bike over there to use and then sell it before I leave again..? Hardly seems worth it since I'll only be touring for 4 weeks and doing a few other local rides in during the other few weeks.
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Postby Aushiker » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:24 pm
Did you look at China Southern? As I said early I belive Toofat is flying with them and I am pretty sure he is taking his bike. Might be worth talking to him about his arrangements.elStado wrote:elStado wrote:Now I have to consider.. is it really worth spending $700 extra to go with Emirates just to take my bike over? Or should I just pocket the money and buy a bike over there to use and then sell it before I leave again..? Hardly seems worth it since I'll only be touring for 4 weeks and doing a few other local rides in during the other few weeks.
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Postby -Stefan- » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:01 pm
Anyone got any experience with Perth checkins to Europe for Malaysian?!
In Paris I could bring my oversized luggage to the drop off myself (which means adding all bags up to 32 kgs
This works at most airports, you checkin and have to bring your back yourself to oversized. Make sure not to go over 32 or they won't take it!
Will this work in Perth?!
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Postby elStado » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:20 pm
I am not bothering with CS for the simple reason that they are not much cheaper and stop off at about 3/4 places with a variety of carriers (Virgin, KLM etc) each charging fees for excess baggage), resulting in a ~40hr trip instead of a 17-20hr trip. Not worth the hassle. Plus they seem dodgy, after what happened top Air Asia (they suddenly ceased all flights to Europe as it was infeasible) I am cautious about Asian air lines that are going international.Aushiker wrote:Did you look at China Southern? As I said early I belive Toofat is flying with them and I am pretty sure he is taking his bike. Might be worth talking to him about his arrangements.elStado wrote:elStado wrote:Now I have to consider.. is it really worth spending $700 extra to go with Emirates just to take my bike over? Or should I just pocket the money and buy a bike over there to use and then sell it before I leave again..? Hardly seems worth it since I'll only be touring for 4 weeks and doing a few other local rides in during the other few weeks.
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ED: I spoke to Singapore Airlines today and they said the weight was combined.. so effectively I can have a 15kg bike and a 5kg bag and not pay any extra. However it is $60 USD per kg excess fee. So if I had a 10kg bag and a 25kg bike I would have to pay the 6xkg fee (6x$60= $360) which would give me an additional 15kg of excess to use, a combined 35kg (no single item can weigh more than 32kg).
Really quite annoying to try and work out the logistics of overseas bicycle touring.. I am half considering to not bother with it or maybe just buy a cheap, second hand 'trekking' bike over there in Germany for a few hundred and just use that and then sell it when I leave again (or give it away). It would be nice to take my new VWR though... as that was the whole point in buying a special touring bike!
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Postby polishbiker » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:46 pm
Emirates seems to be the best with 30+7kg option.
Does anyone know what the deal is with packing a bicycle with Emirates? Box dimensions etc? Nothing really on their website
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Postby scirocco » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:22 pm
If you want to take the bike on European trains you can take it as regular luggage for no extra charge but needs to be 120x90 or less or they may refuse as it won't fit in the racks. Some trains can carry a fully built up bike in reserved bike areas, but a lot of trains do not.
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Postby polishbiker » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:41 pm
I probably would need a quantas sized box, with all the racks and panniers the bike needs a lot of room but as far as i know qantas would only sell bike box if you are flying with them so may need to get one from a bike shop.
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Postby tmac100 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:14 pm
Unfortunately, the baggage allowance does NOT transfer to other Oneworld flights like Cathay..
Lets face it, Emirates is out to max it's market share. But then their flight crew is not paid Aussie nor UK, nor Canadian unionized wages... Their costs are much lower than Aussie costs as well. Remember that when you go cheap you are really offloading on your nation that provides you with an incredible life and...
Yes but doesn't wash... No guilt, but you make your choices as to who you fly with. I will fly BA into/outta OZ this year. I also dislike Emirates because on the 3 times I have flown with them their seats were cramped and I couldn't even have a glass of wine with my dinner - even though I asked several times. Finally on the 3rd time I got a glass but I was into the dessert. Many, though, find the service excellent, but for me it was 3 strikes and out.. Rant mode is now temporarily neutered
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Postby elStado » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:25 pm
Emirates are one of the most expensive options (flight price alone). I have no loyalty to Quantas and am definitely not paying and extra ~$850 to take my bike with them.tmac100 wrote:I do a lot of flying with BA and thus have a FF status, that allows me two 32 kg pieces of luggage and access te their lounges. Good for me when between 2 BA airports.
Unfortunately, the baggage allowance does NOT transfer to other Oneworld flights like Cathay..
Lets face it, Emirates is out to max it's market share. But then their flight crew is not paid Aussie nor UK, nor Canadian unionized wages... Their costs are much lower than Aussie costs as well. Remember that when you go cheap you are really offloading on your nation that provides you with an incredible life and...
Yes but doesn't wash... No guilt, but you make your choices as to who you fly with. I will fly BA into/outta OZ this year. I also dislike Emirates because on the 3 times I have flown with them their seats were cramped and I couldn't even have a glass of wine with my dinner - even though I asked several times. Finally on the 3rd time I got a glass but I was into the dessert. Many, though, find the service excellent, but for me it was 3 strikes and out.. Rant mode is now temporarily neutered
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Postby SmellyTofu » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:37 am
In luggage allowance.
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Postby elStado » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:12 am
I didn't know they had flights to Singapore, let alone to Frankfurt? Just looked on the website and nothing is avaliable.SmellyTofu wrote:I did some searching and on Virgin's web site, they say bikes travel free and not part of the check
In luggage allowance.
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Postby Aushiker » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:17 am
They go to Munich; not close enough? but you need to watch as they code share ... to Singapore would be likely on Singapore Airlines if they offer that connection at all.elStado wrote:I didn't know they had flights to Singapore, let alone to Frankfurt? Just looked on the website and nothing is avaliable.SmellyTofu wrote:I did some searching and on Virgin's web site, they say bikes travel free and not part of the check
In luggage allowance.
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