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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby toolonglegs » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:32 pm

ft_critical wrote:
toolonglegs wrote:What are you saying..that they are not besties :shock: !.


No mods in pro cycling TLL, only on forums...


You sure about that?...I am sure he has a Vespa tucked away somewhere :P
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:52 am

Greipel Second Stage Win in Benelux "Eneco" Tour 2010

Date: 23-08-2010
6º stage
Distance: 205,6 km
Road – Stage
Departure: Bilzen, Belgium
Arrival: Heers, Belgium

Andre Greipel (HTC-Columbia) has his second stage victory achieved in the Benelux Tour.
After a hilly ride he was much faster than the Belgian Jurgen Roelandts.
Tony Martin retained his leader's jerse

Sky wanted Boasson Hagen piloted to victory, but he was (again) to lead up early.
Greipel was clearly stronger than Jurgen Roelandts.
Next year these two will be together at Omega Pharma-Lotto.

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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:55 am

ft_critical wrote:
If I wanted to get s*** small wins, I'd race s*** small races.


18-08-2010 (s*** small races) Wesler Downtown Criterium, 41 riders (mostly Austrians) and only 3 other foreigners.... :lol:

Coppa Bernocchi 2010
Date: 19-08-2010
Distance: 199,3 km
Road - Race
Departure: Legnano, Italy
Arrival: Legnano, Italy

1. Manuel Belletti (ITA) in 04h 43m 35s
2. Danilo Hondo (GER)
3. Mark Cavendish (GBR) :wink:

The young Italian sprinter Manuel Belletti (Colnago) has a mass sprint win in the Coppa Bernocchi.
The 24-year-old Belletti had big names like Mark Cavendish and Danilo Hondo behind.

Francesco Gavazzi, who had won Wednesday the Coppa Agostoni,
the ultimate winner of the Italian triptych.
He gets a diamond as a prize.


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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby Mr Squiggle » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:10 am

brentono wrote:Greipel Second Stage Win in Benelux "Eneco" Tour 2010

Date: 23-08-2010
6º stage
Distance: 205,6 km
Road – Stage
Departure: Bilzen, Belgium
Arrival: Heers, Belgium

Andre Greipel (HTC-Columbia) has his second stage victory achieved in the Benelux Tour.
After a hilly ride he was much faster than the Belgian Jurgen Roelandts.
Tony Martin retained his leader's jerse

Sky wanted Boasson Hagen piloted to victory, but he was (again) to lead up early.
Greipel was clearly stronger than Jurgen Roelandts.
Next year these two will be together at Omega Pharma-Lotto.

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Haha :lol: How did I know this would already be posted when I logged on this morning..

Well done Andre :)
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:37 am

Mr. S
No worries,
It's easier to just quote the facts, then all the "emotive" types here, can huff and puff, all they like. :wink:
"Huff and Puff" by giving a whole list of lame quotes, from the cowboy. :shock:
Let the results speak, for themselves. :lol:
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby ft_critical » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:51 am

brentono wrote:"Huff and Puff" by giving a whole list of lame quotes, from the cowboy. :shock:


Ah, brentono, you fell into my cleverly laid trap. :lol: They are not all quotes from the cowboy. Three are from the Teuton :wink:

Plus, I really liked that post and am feeling saddened by your comments :cry:
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:06 am

ft_critical wrote:
brentono wrote:"Huff and Puff" by giving a whole list of lame quotes, from the cowboy. :shock:


Ah, brentono, you fell into my cleverly laid trap. :lol: They are not all quotes from the cowboy. Three are from the Teuton :wink:

Plus, I really liked that post and am feeling saddened by your comments :cry:


No worries, don't feel sad, it was just a "off the cuff" line, and I didn't say which "cowboy" we're talking about?
Three :?: leaves Four out of Seven, how does the song go, "Ain't bad". :wink:
cleverly laid trap

What's your purpose (your "proud" of your post) :?:
Stick to trying to give some relevence to the topic. 8)
I've seen the attitude of Chav, and he wouldn't earn respect from me (and many others it would seem). :?
The facts speak for themselves.
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby ft_critical » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:46 am

brentono wrote:What's your purpose (your "proud" of your post) :?:


It is not the 'trap' part that I liked brentono, I just knew someone wouldn't read all the quotes and work out they didn't all come from Cav.

No, rather, my purpose was to post a bit of a summary, a backgrounder if your will, of some of the comments that inflammed the rivalry.
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby MichaelB » Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:05 pm

Whatever !!

It will be good to see them go head to head, and then the one upmanship and really start.

Still think Cavendish will win more of them, but only time will tell.
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:38 pm

They can go head-to-head at the World Championships in Geelong,
and we will see who comes out on top. :wink:
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby toolonglegs » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:15 pm

Well nearly head to head....3 rider team against 9 rider team.
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:59 pm

Britain's drop in the world rankings is also down to Cavendish's slide from eighth to 30th,
and to the oddities of qualification criteria designed by the International Cycling Union (UCI)
to globalise the sport. :idea:

Nine British riders qualified last year by virtue of the nation being ranked 10th in the world,
but falling outside the top 10 leaves them at the mercy of the continental rankings. :(

The problem is that the Europe Tour is made up of the second-tier events that Cavendish
and Team Sky generally avoid. :)

This was the sob story from the Guardian, of coarse. :wink:
second-tier events that Cavendish generally avoid.

"s*** small races?" as it was put, earlier :lol:


Excuses, already (toolonglegs) :cry:
Don't sell out yet... wouldn't have made any difference.
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby toolonglegs » Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:23 pm

Excuses for what?... :roll: .You can go on about Cavendish all you want (and you do)...if he gets to the finish he will beat Greipel.
Would be nice to see a profile of the course...Cav is riding the Vuelta and Greipel is not,if Cav comes thru it well he will be hard to beat if it finishes in a sprint.Whether that happens or not seems to depend on the course...and no one really knows how it will ride yet.
2 World Championships,15 Stages of the TDF,6 in the Giro,Milan San Remo
vs
2 Giro stages (one of which was a gift from Cav,which I am sure he regrets now) & 4 Vuelta stages (Points Overall)
...I know whos palmares I would prefer!.
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:12 pm

go on about Cavendish

Yes you do :roll: and the others who "think" he's so great :)
(One Sprint Wonder Boy)
I'm just showing the Facts :!: Like it or not.
And the World Road Championship, will be the "best man" on the day.
And in my opinion, It definately won't be Chav :lol:
I leave it at that.
And I will be showing the others here, exactly the facts, and "they" can
make their own minds up. Which is fair. OK 8)
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby toolonglegs » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:45 pm

toolonglegs wrote:2 World Championships,15 Stages of the TDF,6 in the Giro,Milan San Remo
vs
2 Giro stages (one of which was a gift from Cav,which I am sure he regrets now) & 4 Vuelta stages (Points Overall)


Yup,all fact...Cav has a superior palmares to Greipel and is 3 years younger.
His life has also been made easier with Boonen,McEwen etc been left out.I expect we will know more of Cav's form during the Vuelta...and Greipel's during the Tour of Britain.
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:29 pm

Let's just forget old history, and just talk 2010.
For Cavendish, leaving out Le Tour (which we all know about) he raced total 10, that's Ten, other UCI rated events,
Two (s*** small races) of which I have mentioned in this post. :roll:
Greipel, list of UCI rated events, below. :wink:
2010 3º in Down Under Classic, Adelaide (AUS)
2010 1º in Stage 1 Tour Down Under, Tanunda (AUS)
2010 1º in Stage 2 Tour Down Under, Hahndorf (AUS)
2010 1º in Stage 4 Tour Down Under, Goolwa (AUS)
2010 5º in Stage 6 Tour Down Under, Adelaide (AUS)
2010 1º in General Classification Tour Down Under (AUS)
2010 1º in Points classification Tour Down Under (AUS)
2010 2º in Trofeo Cala Millor, Cala Millor (ESP)
2010 1º in Trofeo Magaluf, Palmanova (ESP)
2010 3º in Stage 1 Volta ao Algarve, Albufeira (POR)
2010 1º in Stage 2 Volta ao Algarve, Lagos (POR)
2010 7º in Stage 4 Volta ao Algarve, Tavira (POR)
2010 2º in Rund um Köln, Köln (GER)
2010 1º in Stage 1 International Presidency Turkey Tour, Istanbul (TUR)
2010 1º in Stage 2 International Presidency Turkey Tour, Bodrum (TUR)
2010 8º in Stage 4 International Presidency Turkey Tour, Pamukkale (TUR)
2010 1º in Stage 5 International Presidency Turkey Tour, Fethiye (TUR)
2010 1º in Stage 6 International Presidency Turkey Tour, Finike (TUR)
2010 1º in Stage 8 International Presidency Turkey Tour, Alanya (TUR)
2010 8º in General Classification International Presidency Turkey Tour (TUR)
2010 25º in Stage 1 Giro d'Italia, Amsterdam (ITA)
2010 4º in Stage 2 Giro d'Italia, Utrecht (ITA)
2010 6º in Stage 3 Giro d'Italia, Middelburg (ITA)
2010 3º in Stage 4 Giro d'Italia, Cuneo (ITA)
2010 8º in Stage 5 Giro d'Italia, Novi Ligure (ITA)
2010 125º in Stage 6 Giro d'Italia, Marina di Carrara (ITA)
2010 91º in Stage 7 Giro d'Italia, Montalcino (ITA)
2010 148º in Stage 8 Giro d'Italia, Monte Terminillo (ITA)
2010 19º in Stage 9 Giro d'Italia, Cava De' Tirreni (ITA)
2010 7º in Stage 10 Giro d'Italia, Bitonto (ITA)
2010 132º in Stage 11 Giro d'Italia, L'Aquila (ITA)
2010 13º in Stage 12 Giro d'Italia, Porto Recanati (ITA)
2010 117º in Stage 13 Giro d'Italia, Cesenatico (ITA)
2010 97º in Stage 14 Giro d'Italia, Asolo (ITA)
2010 126º in Stage 15 Giro d'Italia, Monte Zoncolan (ITA)
2010 127º in Stage 16 Giro d'Italia, Plan de Corones (ITA)
2010 134º in Stage 17 Giro d'Italia, Peio Terme (ITA)
2010 1º in Stage 18 Giro d'Italia, Brescia (ITA)
2010 9º in Stage 1 Ster Elektrotoer, Gemert (NED)
2010 4º in Stage 2 Ster Elektrotoer, Sittard-Geleen (NED)
2010 7º in Stage 3 Ster Elektrotoer, Schimmert (NED)
2010 3º in Stage 5 Ster Elektrotoer, Helmond (NED)
2010 1º in Stage 1 Österreich-Rundfahrt, Bludenz (AUT)
2010 1º in Stage 6 Österreich-Rundfahrt, Laxenburg (AUT)
2010 3º in Stage 8 Österreich-Rundfahrt, Wien (AUT)
2010 2º in City Night Rhede (GER)
2010 1º in Stage 2 Tour de Pologne, Dabrowa Górnicza (POL)
2010 1º in Stage 7 Tour de Pologne, Kraków (POL)
2010 3º in Sparkassen Giro Bochum (GER)
2010 3º in Cyclassics Hamburg, Hamburg (GER)
2010 12º in Stage 1 Benelux Tour, Rhenen
2010 1º in Stage 2 Benelux Tour, Ardooie
2010 1º in Stage 6 Benelux Tour, Heers

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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby Missy24 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:40 pm

brentono wrote:
go on about Cavendish

Yes you do :roll: and the others who "think" he's so great :)
(One Sprint Wonder Boy)

Oh yes, isn't he wonderful... sigh
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby toolonglegs » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:44 pm

Why would we leave out the tour...the Tour,The Giro and the classics are the only place all the really big names line up against each other.
You can be sure Greipel won't be doing every B race next year like this year...he will be aiming for the tour etc.
Sorry 1 stage win in the Tour de France means more than nearly all your lovely posted list put together...the only really big win is one Stage in the Giro.
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby MichaelB » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:14 am

Whilst the number of Greipel's wins are impressive, I'll side with TLL, in that Cavendish is better.

Only time will tell when they come head to head, but I think brentono has rose coloured glasses w.r.t. Greipel.

Cavendish has won better races against better competition, and it's especially so when considering that he didn't have the key leadout man for the latter TdF wins, and lost some other key team mates for 2010.

meh, may an Aussie win in Geelong - RR & TT and U23 & Womens. Sweep the lot !!!!
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:56 am

MichaelB wrote:Only time will tell when they come head to head, but I think brentono has rose coloured glasses w.r.t. Greipel.

Cavendish has won better races against better competition

:shock:
Only time will tell when they come head to head

I'm willing to wait and see. 8)

but I think brentono has rose coloured glasses w.r.t. Greipel

And your "side" (since you think there are sides) has blinkers. :wink:

Cavendish has won better races against better competition

The last Win, out of the last two rides (s*** small races), against mainly a bunch
of locals (Austrians), and the other was a third (Italy). :)
Sorry, did have another ride in Italy, Tre Valli Varesine
Elite Men: Bissone - Varese 199.13km
DNF Mark Cavendish (GBr) Team HTC - Columbia
DNF-is did not finish :oops:

Anyway, I have no great affinity to Greipel, there are others "more" for mine,
but on topic, I will watch the so called head-to-head with interest.
And my thoughts have been made, along with the facts. :|
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PS Would seem Cavendish only claim to fame is stages of The Tour De France (no Green Jersey-just envy)
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby MichaelB » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:15 am

brentono wrote: ....PS Would seem Cavendish only claim to fame is stages of The Tour De France (no Green Jersey-just envy)


So how many TdF stages and jerseys has Greipel won ?
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:45 am

MichaelB wrote:
brentono wrote: ....PS Would seem Cavendish only claim to fame is stages of The Tour De France (no Green Jersey-just envy)


So how many TdF stages and jerseys has Greipel won ?


TDF is the only race on the calender. :roll:
(for Cavendish that is... :) )
Will let the results of the head-to-head at the World Road Championships 2010,
resolve this. :wink:
You've seen the UCI Sprinters Points Rankings, what else to say. :?:
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby MichaelB » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:30 pm

brentono wrote: You've seen the UCI Sprinters Points Rankings, what else to say. :?:
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What were the '08 & '09 points results ?
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Re: Cavendish V Greipel

Postby brentono » Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:37 pm

MichaelB wrote:
brentono wrote: You've seen the UCI Sprinters Points Rankings, what else to say. :?:
Cheers,
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What were the '08 & '09 points results ?


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