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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby nyeholt » Thu May 19, 2011 11:39 pm
jules21 wrote:
Cavendish arrived just 25 seconds inside the stage cut-off point, which had he missed would have meant the end of his participation in the race.
"He should only be happy that he's still in the race, he should have been disqualified for being attached to the car for a long time during the climb on Etna," said Spanish Movistar sprinter Francisco Ventoso.
"It's shameful, everyone else kills themselves to get to the top inside the cut off time while someone else holds onto a car without the authorities intervening."
Garmin sprinter Murilo Fischer added on his Twitter page: "Incredible, he says he wants to win a stage at any cost and he does 10km holding onto a car."
Cavendish himself refused to comment according to La Gazzetta dello Sport.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby hosko » Fri May 20, 2011 5:43 pm
This is stage 13's height profile.... tonight is going to be one of the best stages for this race.
Some more information on this stage here... can see why the sprinters got off after stage 12!
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/5/19/217 ... -aut-167km
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby brentono » Sat May 21, 2011 2:25 pm
will not now feature the climb and descent of Monte Crostis,
which had been due to make its debut in the race.
Too un-safe.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby sogood » Sat May 21, 2011 5:20 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby jules21 » Sat May 21, 2011 8:08 pm
a bit of controversy and suspense never goes astray..sogood wrote:Amazing the Giro organizer had to wait all this time to recognize the safety issue of that climb/descent. Pathetic! And probably the reason why the Giro isn't gaining more traction.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby Baldy » Sat May 21, 2011 8:37 pm
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/crostis ... ro-ditalia
Bit of a letdown I think, with the safety fences they had up and the surface it was no more dangerous than many other races/stages. Just look at Roubaix where you can smash your teeth in on the flat!
The thing I like about the tough stages and roads is they sort the bike riders from the athletes, not such a bad thing imo. It makes the riders take responsibilty for staying upright, if you are more athlete than bike rider you lose time.
Please dont use Wouters tragic accidental death as grounds for attacking my opinion. A moment of inattention that ended in a worse case scenario, not because the decent was too dangerous to ride.
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2011 Giro
Postby sogood » Sat May 21, 2011 10:34 pm
No Wouters. This is spectating Giro 2011, not Roman Colosseum and cheering on blood sport. One drop off from that mountain road and it'll be 100m or more and a dead cyclist.Baldy wrote:Please dont use Wouters tragic accidental death as grounds for attacking my opinion.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby sogood » Sat May 21, 2011 11:23 pm
So who is this Rujano? Amazed that he could stay with Contador when all the other big names can't.
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby Baldy » Sat May 21, 2011 11:50 pm
Who? Dunno. What? 49kg!sogood wrote: So who is this Rujano?
Mighty mouse sure can climb thats for sure.
Never been a massive Bertie fan but man I love watching him climb, just silky smooth.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby Baldy » Sun May 22, 2011 12:35 am
The broadcast is a shambles, even they dont know whats going on.
I dont want to see blood, thats not a very nice thing to say mate. You are guaranteed crashes in certain races but people watch them, they are all sadists huh?
The answer is, dont crash. That is possible for even the worst bike handlers. Sure they will lose time but so do sprinters on climbs and climbers on flats[crosswinds/echelons]
ah well, back to the racing
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby jules21 » Sun May 22, 2011 1:13 am
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby Baldy » Sun May 22, 2011 2:18 am
Sure was, that was the best I have seen him climb. His easy does it approach to climbing worked ok this time, it was great to watch him claw his way back again and again. Full marks for a cool head huh.jules21 wrote:goodstage - lots of suffering. what a ride by nibali!
Ok I'm going to bed before I fall off my chair...
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby jules21 » Sun May 22, 2011 11:03 am
Vincenzo Nibali (Liquigas-Cannondale) said that Alberto Contador (Saxo Bank-SunGard) showed a lack of respect by waiting for him and then later attacking him during the final 500 metres of the gruelling climb up to the Zoncolan.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby you cannot be sirrus » Sun May 22, 2011 11:31 am
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby norbs » Sun May 22, 2011 11:47 am
We need more Stuey O'Grady's and Jens Voigt's in the peleton.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby David_G » Sun May 22, 2011 12:09 pm
jules21 wrote:i think local knowledge goes a long way.. also i saw this unfold and immediately just lost a bit more respect for Dertie. it was not very classy - i think he was trying to emulate Lance and "the stare". (having said that, don't we all just watch him in awe..)
Vincenzo Nibali (Liquigas-Cannondale) said that Alberto Contador (Saxo Bank-SunGard) showed a lack of respect by waiting for him and then later attacking him during the final 500 metres of the gruelling climb up to the Zoncolan.
I'm also no fan of Contador, but I'm glued to the box whenever he's climbing... I think what he may have done was just messing with Nibali's mind. That's what Lance was so good at too.
A lot of (maybe all) elite sports are played above the neck as well as below aren't they?
So that would make it completely fair IMO. I'm also not fussed about him leaving Schleck behind either after all, it's a battle of man and machine.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby hosko » Sun May 22, 2011 12:33 pm
All of the team in that first stage TT, all in Specialized gear...everyone except Contador. He was in his Giro gear.
Even his bloody glasses went from yellow to pink (giro glasses of course!) when he got the pink Jersey.
What happens to him if they strip him of the TDF win from 2010 and also wins the Giro? Does he get stripped of that also?
Personally, I think he is probably dopped to the gills, however he is impressive to watch on those mountains.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby brentono » Sun May 22, 2011 1:13 pm
Baldy wrote:No fella's, it was not removed on safety grounds.
http://road.cc/content/news/36086-giro- ... te-detailsRider safety in this year’s Giro is under greater scrutiny than ever before
as a result of Wouter Weylandt’s death on Stage 3, and the main reasons given
for the jury’s decision were the difficulty of access for ambulances
as well as the poor road surface.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby brentono » Sun May 22, 2011 1:23 pm
It's called tactics.jules21 wrote:i think local knowledge goes a long way.. also i saw this unfold and immediately just lost a bit more respect for Dertie. it was not very classy - i think he was trying to emulate Lance and "the stare". (having said that, don't we all just watch him in awe..)
Vincenzo Nibali (Liquigas-Cannondale) said that Alberto Contador (Saxo Bank-SunGard) showed a lack of respect by waiting for him and then later attacking him during the final 500 metres of the gruelling climb up to the Zoncolan.
Nibali wasn't up to it.
Alberto Contador was the best man on the day.
+1 (but Rujano could have at least "tried" to do a turn near the end )BTW. It's good to see Contador let José Rujano take Stage 13.
Alberto Contador is the best rider in the Giro 2011.
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Re: 2011 Giro
Postby Chuck » Sun May 22, 2011 2:29 pm
It's funny the things that offend some people Nibali is taking the focus off of his own gutsy ride with his whingeing. Just as in any race Contador is entitled to ride whichever way he feels will further advance his cause. Why tow a GC rival when you can put time into himjules21 wrote:i think local knowledge goes a long way.. also i saw this unfold and immediately just lost a bit more respect for Dertie. it was not very classy - i think he was trying to emulate Lance and "the stare". (having said that, don't we all just watch him in awe..)
Vincenzo Nibali (Liquigas-Cannondale) said that Alberto Contador (Saxo Bank-SunGard) showed a lack of respect by waiting for him and then later attacking him during the final 500 metres of the gruelling climb up to the Zoncolan.
I think some in the peleton are enjoying the hard time Contador is having with his image and the fans. Nibali's comments only serve to perpetuate that. Given that the comments come from an Italian at the Giro perhaps AC can expect to cop more flak in the local press and from the side of the road. Maybe there was some measure to Nibali's comments because he's not making inroads on the bike.
Putting the pending appeal aside, I don't find anything Contador does on or off the bike offensive. He speaks quietly and is quite humble given his palmares. He's been given a bad rap over the chaingate incident imho. Attacks are just that, attacks. Nobody comes up and taps you on the shoulder and says oh by the way I'm going to attack now. When you do attack you better make sure you've got it all together, motor and machine, because at the highest level if one fails you're gone. You can't animate a race and then say oh hang on guys my equipment's not up to it. Bad change or bad maintenance kick the guy who's responsible not the racers.
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2011 Giro
Postby sogood » Sun May 22, 2011 2:37 pm
The difference being, regular road crashes are manageable but the drop off that originally planned narrow and rough mountain road was something completely different, one that'll sure guarantee serious injury or fatality. a few barriers at corners just don't cut it.Baldy wrote:I dont want to see blood, thats not a very nice thing to say mate. You are guaranteed crashes in certain races but people watch them, they are all sadists huh?
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