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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby nyeholt » Thu May 19, 2011 11:39 pm

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Cavendish arrived just 25 seconds inside the stage cut-off point, which had he missed would have meant the end of his participation in the race.

"He should only be happy that he's still in the race, he should have been disqualified for being attached to the car for a long time during the climb on Etna," said Spanish Movistar sprinter Francisco Ventoso.

"It's shameful, everyone else kills themselves to get to the top inside the cut off time while someone else holds onto a car without the authorities intervening."

Garmin sprinter Murilo Fischer added on his Twitter page: "Incredible, he says he wants to win a stage at any cost and he does 10km holding onto a car."

Cavendish himself refused to comment according to La Gazzetta dello Sport.


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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby hosko » Fri May 20, 2011 5:43 pm

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This is stage 13's height profile.... tonight is going to be one of the best stages for this race.

Some more information on this stage here... can see why the sprinters got off after stage 12! :shock:
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/5/19/2179713/giro-stage-13-preview-spilimbergo-grossglockner-aut-167km
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby norbs » Fri May 20, 2011 6:22 pm

Jesus! Can't wait.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby brentono » Sat May 21, 2011 2:25 pm

Organisers of the Giro d’Italia have announced that Stage 14 from Linz to Monte Zoncolan
will not now feature the climb and descent of Monte Crostis,
which had been due to make its debut in the race.
Too un-safe.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby sogood » Sat May 21, 2011 5:20 pm

Amazing the Giro organizer had to wait all this time to recognize the safety issue of that climb/descent. Pathetic! And probably the reason why the Giro isn't gaining more traction.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby jules21 » Sat May 21, 2011 8:08 pm

sogood wrote:Amazing the Giro organizer had to wait all this time to recognize the safety issue of that climb/descent. Pathetic! And probably the reason why the Giro isn't gaining more traction.

a bit of controversy and suspense never goes astray..
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby Baldy » Sat May 21, 2011 8:37 pm

No fella's, it was not removed on safety grounds. The UCI overlords are now saying its a sporting issue, with the proposed motorbike escorts/mechanics not being sufficient. Apparently brought on by complaints by some team managers.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/crostis ... ro-ditalia

Bit of a letdown I think, with the safety fences they had up and the surface it was no more dangerous than many other races/stages. Just look at Roubaix where you can smash your teeth in on the flat!
The thing I like about the tough stages and roads is they sort the bike riders from the athletes, not such a bad thing imo. It makes the riders take responsibilty for staying upright, if you are more athlete than bike rider you lose time.

Please dont use Wouters tragic accidental death as grounds for attacking my opinion. A moment of inattention that ended in a worse case scenario, not because the decent was too dangerous to ride.
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2011 Giro

Postby sogood » Sat May 21, 2011 10:34 pm

Baldy wrote:Please dont use Wouters tragic accidental death as grounds for attacking my opinion.

No Wouters. This is spectating Giro 2011, not Roman Colosseum and cheering on blood sport. One drop off from that mountain road and it'll be 100m or more and a dead cyclist.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby sogood » Sat May 21, 2011 11:23 pm

BTW. It's good to see Contador let José Rujano take Stage 13. A bit of humility and reminded me of LA and Pantani on Mt Ventoux. Looks like I may finally have some liking for Contador.

So who is this Rujano? Amazed that he could stay with Contador when all the other big names can't.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby Baldy » Sat May 21, 2011 11:50 pm

sogood wrote:So who is this Rujano?


Who? Dunno. What? 49kg! :shock:

Mighty mouse sure can climb thats for sure.

Never been a massive Bertie fan but man I love watching him climb, just silky smooth.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby Baldy » Sun May 22, 2011 12:35 am

Could they have neutralized the decent somehow? Rather than removing the whole thing?

The broadcast is a shambles, even they dont know whats going on.

I dont want to see blood, thats not a very nice thing to say mate. You are guaranteed crashes in certain races but people watch them, they are all sadists huh?

The answer is, dont crash. That is possible for even the worst bike handlers. Sure they will lose time but so do sprinters on climbs and climbers on flats[crosswinds/echelons]

ah well, back to the racing 8)
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby norbs » Sun May 22, 2011 1:12 am

Excellent. Go Igor!
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby jules21 » Sun May 22, 2011 1:13 am

goodstage - lots of suffering. what a ride by nibali!
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby Baldy » Sun May 22, 2011 2:18 am

jules21 wrote:goodstage - lots of suffering. what a ride by nibali!


Sure was, that was the best I have seen him climb. His easy does it approach to climbing worked ok this time, it was great to watch him claw his way back again and again. Full marks for a cool head huh.

Ok I'm going to bed before I fall off my chair...
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby jules21 » Sun May 22, 2011 11:03 am

i think local knowledge goes a long way.. also i saw this unfold and immediately just lost a bit more respect for Dertie. it was not very classy - i think he was trying to emulate Lance and "the stare". (having said that, don't we all just watch him in awe..)

Vincenzo Nibali (Liquigas-Cannondale) said that Alberto Contador (Saxo Bank-SunGard) showed a lack of respect by waiting for him and then later attacking him during the final 500 metres of the gruelling climb up to the Zoncolan.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby you cannot be sirrus » Sun May 22, 2011 11:31 am

i don't have a problem with what Contador did, despite all the unspoken rules and etiquettes in the peloton they are athletes competing against each other, Bertie just applied some hurt which is fair enough in my opinion. If Nibali feels slighted let him try and get his revenge on tomorrow's stage, I'm a Nibali fan but don 't think he has it in him to overcome Contador.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby norbs » Sun May 22, 2011 11:47 am

I am not a fan of Contador. He actually gives me the shites, but I do recognise his abilities. It is his attitude and the way he goes about his business that I don't like. Attacking Schleck last year in the TdF when he had a mechanical was typical of his tactics. His bang bang antics with the guns drives me mad. He just doesn't seem likable. Then again, Cuddles isn't the easy bloke to warm to either.

We need more Stuey O'Grady's and Jens Voigt's in the peleton. :)
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby David_G » Sun May 22, 2011 12:09 pm

jules21 wrote:i think local knowledge goes a long way.. also i saw this unfold and immediately just lost a bit more respect for Dertie. it was not very classy - i think he was trying to emulate Lance and "the stare". (having said that, don't we all just watch him in awe..)

Vincenzo Nibali (Liquigas-Cannondale) said that Alberto Contador (Saxo Bank-SunGard) showed a lack of respect by waiting for him and then later attacking him during the final 500 metres of the gruelling climb up to the Zoncolan.



I'm also no fan of Contador, but I'm glued to the box whenever he's climbing... I think what he may have done was just messing with Nibali's mind. That's what Lance was so good at too.
A lot of (maybe all) elite sports are played above the neck as well as below aren't they?
So that would make it completely fair IMO. I'm also not fussed about him leaving Schleck behind either after all, it's a battle of man and machine.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby hosko » Sun May 22, 2011 12:33 pm

Contador is damn good, yet seems like a w@nker even to his own team.

All of the team in that first stage TT, all in Specialized gear...everyone except Contador. He was in his Giro gear.

Even his bloody glasses went from yellow to pink (giro glasses of course!) when he got the pink Jersey.

What happens to him if they strip him of the TDF win from 2010 and also wins the Giro? Does he get stripped of that also?

Personally, I think he is probably dopped to the gills, however he is impressive to watch on those mountains.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby brentono » Sun May 22, 2011 1:13 pm

Baldy wrote:No fella's, it was not removed on safety grounds.

:?:
Rider safety in this year’s Giro is under greater scrutiny than ever before
as a result of Wouter Weylandt’s death on Stage 3, and the main reasons given
for the jury’s decision
were the difficulty of access for ambulances
as well as the poor road surface.


http://road.cc/content/news/36086-giro-dialia-crostis-dropped-tomorrows-zoncolan-stage-here-are-new-route-details
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby brentono » Sun May 22, 2011 1:23 pm

jules21 wrote:i think local knowledge goes a long way.. also i saw this unfold and immediately just lost a bit more respect for Dertie. it was not very classy - i think he was trying to emulate Lance and "the stare". (having said that, don't we all just watch him in awe..)

Vincenzo Nibali (Liquigas-Cannondale) said that Alberto Contador (Saxo Bank-SunGard) showed a lack of respect by waiting for him and then later attacking him during the final 500 metres of the gruelling climb up to the Zoncolan.

:lol: It's called tactics.
Nibali wasn't up to it.
Alberto Contador was the best man on the day.
BTW. It's good to see Contador let José Rujano take Stage 13.

+1 (but Rujano could have at least "tried" to do a turn near the end :roll: )

Alberto Contador is the best rider in the Giro 2011.
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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby norbs » Sun May 22, 2011 2:25 pm

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Re: 2011 Giro

Postby Chuck » Sun May 22, 2011 2:29 pm

jules21 wrote:i think local knowledge goes a long way.. also i saw this unfold and immediately just lost a bit more respect for Dertie. it was not very classy - i think he was trying to emulate Lance and "the stare". (having said that, don't we all just watch him in awe..)

Vincenzo Nibali (Liquigas-Cannondale) said that Alberto Contador (Saxo Bank-SunGard) showed a lack of respect by waiting for him and then later attacking him during the final 500 metres of the gruelling climb up to the Zoncolan.


It's funny the things that offend some people :? Nibali is taking the focus off of his own gutsy ride with his whingeing. Just as in any race Contador is entitled to ride whichever way he feels will further advance his cause. Why tow a GC rival when you can put time into him :twisted:

I think some in the peleton are enjoying the hard time Contador is having with his image and the fans. Nibali's comments only serve to perpetuate that. Given that the comments come from an Italian at the Giro perhaps AC can expect to cop more flak in the local press and from the side of the road. Maybe there was some measure to Nibali's comments because he's not making inroads on the bike.

Putting the pending appeal aside, I don't find anything Contador does on or off the bike offensive. He speaks quietly and is quite humble given his palmares. He's been given a bad rap over the chaingate incident imho. Attacks are just that, attacks. Nobody comes up and taps you on the shoulder and says oh by the way I'm going to attack now. When you do attack you better make sure you've got it all together, motor and machine, because at the highest level if one fails you're gone. You can't animate a race and then say oh hang on guys my equipment's not up to it. Bad change or bad maintenance :? kick the guy who's responsible not the racers.
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2011 Giro

Postby sogood » Sun May 22, 2011 2:37 pm

Baldy wrote:I dont want to see blood, thats not a very nice thing to say mate. You are guaranteed crashes in certain races but people watch them, they are all sadists huh?

The difference being, regular road crashes are manageable but the drop off that originally planned narrow and rough mountain road was something completely different, one that'll sure guarantee serious injury or fatality. a few barriers at corners just don't cut it.
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