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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby bianchi928 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:04 am

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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby norbs » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:19 pm

redcorpsjames wrote:There is no cycling club in cullburra. i come down to cullburra a fair bit, where do you ride around there? also are there any good mtb tracks around there??


Well, I can't be sure, but Culburra is in South Australia some where, so you might be talking about a different place.


I live here, in Culburra Beach, and can tell you with some authority, being the club president, secretary and treasurer, that there most certainly is! :lol:

I ride all over the Shoalhaven area. And if you are down here a fair bit, I would have thought you'd have known of all the MTB tracks along Forest Road. :wink:
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby redcorpsjames » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:09 pm

never went looking there really just got into mountain biking lately. Just asking mate. . . . My cousin lives on penguin head rd
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby hannos » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:12 pm

I hope Contador gets his butt handed to him in this year's TdF. I really don't care who does it either just so long as they're clean.
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby norbs » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:43 pm

redcorpsjames wrote:never went looking there really just got into mountain biking lately. Just asking mate. . . . My cousin lives on penguin head rd



Yell out next time you are here. :)
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby bianchi928 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:12 am

As someone who dislikes loose ends and unfinished business mt preference is he doesn't ride but if he does, hopefully Cadel or Andy will win to remove any doubt and there will be no issue.

This is nothing against Contador at all as the process is in place, he is entitled to be there and I do not know enough facts to pass a sound judgement, however if Contador races the TdF and wins, or even if (when?) he wears the yellow jersey and wins stages, there will be doubt over wether the result will stand after the CAS decision and from my personal perspective, I think that will detract from the spectacle for me.

Would have been better if the CAS process had finished but what can you do.... :roll:
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby brentono » Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:58 am

bianchi928 wrote:
This is nothing against Contador at all as the process is in place, he is entitled to be there and I do not know enough facts to pass a sound judgement, however if Contador races the TdF and wins, or even if (when?) he wears the yellow jersey and wins stages, there will be doubt over wether the result will stand after the CAS decision and from my personal perspective, I think that will detract from the spectacle for me.



There is a certain group, be it in the media, or in the public domain, that irrelevant
of the final CAS decision, and if the UCI/WADA appeal fails.
Contador will still be slandered as a doper (usually through ignorance)
(Irrelevant of the fact that 50pg Clenbuterol could have no Performance Enhancing effect)
They scream about the rules, sprout words like "cheats", but won't accept the outcomes
of the judicial system, and the process. You will observe it, if it comes to pass.
Both sad and Amusing. :roll:
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby cf73 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:59 pm

I am not fully accross all the legal juristictions but it seems crazy to me that he was banned by the UCI and then a domestic body (Spanish cycling federation) can then override the decision for then the UCI to have to appeal that decision...If you put that into motorsport situations it would be like an F1 driver being banned by the FIA and then the motorsport Australia body over riding it..it wouldnt happen.

Shouldnt it be the other way around or have I misunderstood something here.
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby brentono » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:06 pm

cf73 wrote:... have I misunderstood something here.

Yes.
You are confused, or just have no idea. Contador was not banned by the UCI,
he was under suspension, went through Due Process with his Federation, and was Acquitted.
There is an appeal to the CAS by UCI/WADA.
Got back over it, and you may have a clearer POV, and be able to contribute.
(try Google :roll: )
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Contador and this years TdF.

Postby herzog » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:56 pm

Which just shows how ridiculous are the current arrangements where the case is referred to the rider's domestic federation for action.

A bit like asking caesar to investigate Caesar.

What made this case even worse was the Spanish pm interfering.
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby Chuck » Fri Jun 03, 2011 9:17 pm

herzog wrote:Which just shows how ridiculous are the current arrangements where the case is referred to the rider's domestic federation for action.

What made this case even worse was the Spanish pm interfering.


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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby Chuck » Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:26 am

herzog wrote:Which just shows how ridiculous are the current arrangements where the case is referred to the rider's domestic federation for action.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vroomen ... nd-schleck

"The current situation of national federations handling doping cases also does the riders no favors. Whether guilty or innocent, the public doesn't get the sense that they are going through a fair process, so the rider gets damaged regardless."

“What happened with the Spanish federation and Contador was 100 per cent predictable and it’s the same in the Schleck case. It was no surprise that the Luxembourg federation decided not to do anything"
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby cf73 » Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:29 pm

brentono wrote:
cf73 wrote:... have I misunderstood something here.

Yes.
You are confused, or just have no idea. Contador was not banned by the UCI,
he was under suspension, went through Due Process with his Federation, and was Acquitted.
There is an appeal to the CAS by UCI/WADA.
Got back over it, and you may have a clearer POV, and be able to contribute.
(try Google :roll: )
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Like I said I am not across all the legal stuff but banned vs suspended......same difference at the end of the day....???

But like I said seems backwards that a decision can be "acquitted" by his federation and then the UCI/WADA then have to appeal...

Further to my original post, what are your thoughts on the fact that the 'appeal' has now been suspended to after the TdF which allows him the chance to compete in the same event that he was 'caught'....?

I am not against Contador per se, but the process.

BTW, I was questioning the process and my knowledge and thought I was contributing to the thread...are you an expert on this? Maybe you can give your personal expert advice and then the UCI can make their decision on that???
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby brentono » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:20 pm

cf73 wrote:Further to my original post, what are your thoughts on the fact that the 'appeal' has now been suspended to after the TdF which allows him the chance to compete in the same event that he was 'caught'....?

I am not against Contador per se, but the process.

BTW, I was questioning the process and my knowledge and thought I was contributing to the thread...are you an expert on this? Maybe you can give your personal expert advice and then the UCI can make their decision on that???


It is probably fair to say
The current situation of national federations handling doping cases also does the riders no favors

But that is the present process.

Contador was Acquitted, by Due Process.
The UCI or the WADA have the right to Appeal to the CAS. Which they have done.
They must show some reason why Contador should not be Acquitted by his Federation,
for their appeal to succeed. As it stands Contador is not under any Suspension, and
can ride as any other rider can. Thems the rules.

BTW, I am no expert, nor is anyone on this site. I have my point of view.
One must assume Contador is an Innocent party (not the opposite as many here do)
And the current situation has been more than detremental to Contador and his
reputation has been damaged irreparably, regardless of the outcome of the UCI/WADA Appeal.
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby Aushiker » Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:51 pm

Hi

Via BikeRadar.com

David Howman, the director general of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), has suggested Alberto Contador should skip this year’s Tour de France but has also defended the decision of Court of Arbitration for Sport to delay the Spaniard’s hearing until August.

Last week Howman told Cyclingnews that WADA does not run cases to win them but to ensure that proper justice is done.

“Legally, he has every right (to ride). It’s up to him. I wouldn’t advise him to do it but I can’t tell him not to,” Howman told Spanish newspaper AS.


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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby brentono » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:54 pm

Aushiker wrote:Hi

Via BikeRadar.com

David Howman, the director general of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA),

“Legally, he has every right (to ride). It’s up to him. I wouldn’t advise him to do it but I can’t tell him not to,” Howman told Spanish newspaper AS.


Andrew


Thanks Andrew.

David Howman, should take care of his own business, what a statement...
I wouldn’t advise him to do it but I can’t tell him not to

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Howman confirmed that WADA is studying a possible threshold for Clenbuterol.

About bloody time, mate. (Howman, sitting in the ivory tower) :lol:
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby BarryTas » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:24 am

i hope that ALL the other teams join together an mark him hehe
when do we stop for coffee???

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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby Christine Tham » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:39 pm

Excuse me, who is this "Contador"? I've never heard of him, is he any good?
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby Nobody » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:16 am

Christine Tham wrote:Excuse me, who is this "Contador"? I've never heard of him, is he any good?
You've never heard of Bertie and his Spanish steak? :wink:
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby brentono » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:52 am

Nobody wrote: You've never heard of Bertie and his Spanish steak? :wink:


Spanish steak Or is that Mercosur Product from South America
(Mercosur members already supply 82% of all beef imported by the European Union, including Spain)
What are the chances of this... folks? :wink:
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby MichaelB » Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:51 am

Christine Tham wrote:Excuse me, who is this "Contador"? I've never heard of him, is he any good?


Ahh, that's because he is better known as Dopador or Clenbutador.

Hope that helps :lol:
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby Nobody » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:26 pm

brentono wrote:
Nobody wrote: You've never heard of Bertie and his Spanish steak? :wink:


Spanish steak Or is that Mercosur Product from South America
(Mercosur members already supply 82% of all beef imported by the European Union, including Spain)
What are the chances of this... folks? :wink:
Five Mexicans out of Gold Cup

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Seems likely from that. I'm not passing any judgement, just surprised CT hasn't heard of it. I'll never have all the facts, so there is no point me commenting.
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby Christine Tham » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:44 pm

brentono wrote:Spanish steak Or is that Mercosur Product from South America
(Mercosur members already supply 82% of all beef imported by the European Union, including Spain)


I would like to try that.

Are there any butchers that sell the product?

If I say "I'll have what Contador is having" will they understand?

Is there any special ways of cooking to preserve the product? Or can I just put it on the BBQ?
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby brentono » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:57 am

Nobody wrote:... just surprised CT hasn't heard of it..

I'm not. :lol: :wink:
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Re: Contador and this years TdF.

Postby norbs » Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:10 am

He has confirmed he is riding the TdF.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contado ... -de-france

"Yes, I'll go to the Tour de France. But it's a difficult challenge because nobody has been able to win the Giro and the Tour for 15 years,” Biciciclismo.com reported Contador as saying.

"The Tour is the biggest race there is and all the best riders ride it. That gives me extra motivation.”
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