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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:11 pm

CommuRider wrote:Not sure what to make of TdF's Prudhomme's visit...

The ASO is an owner of the TDU, so I would be surprised if he didn't come to look at what they'd bought into.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby }SkOrPn--7 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:27 pm

All I can say is that coverage 9 did of the TDU was abysmal and pathetic they should be ashamed.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby sogood » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:13 pm

}SkOrPn--7 wrote:All I can say is that coverage 9 did of the TDU was abysmal and pathetic they should be ashamed.

Which sporting event coverage have you been impressed and happy with? Personally I thought it was pretty decent. At the same time, it's always hard to please everyone... Or rather impossible. :mrgreen:
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby stinhambo » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:20 pm

sogood wrote:
}SkOrPn--7 wrote:All I can say is that coverage 9 did of the TDU was abysmal and pathetic they should be ashamed.

Which sporting event coverage have you been impressed and happy with? Personally I thought it was pretty decent. At the same time, it's always hard to please everyone... Or rather impossible. :mrgreen:


SBS World Cup coverage was pretty good except for the ex-pro idiots that pass as presenter/pundits.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby you cannot be sirrus » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:29 pm

I want to know why Mike Turtur and the TDU organisers allowed the jersey to be presented to Simon Gerrans on the street for the benefit of the TV cameras (presumably) before the official presentation on the stage. 14 years of tradition blown out the window, Can you imagine the ASO doing that at the TdF.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby norbs » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:48 pm

Did Andrew Voss cut Matt White off at the end? Seemed to end in an awful hurry.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby CommuRider » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:53 pm

norbs wrote:Did Andrew Voss cut Matt White off at the end? Seemed to end in an awful hurry.


Yep, so they could show some crappy program. Poor form really. If it were a program that was mindblowingly important it would make sense but them switching to their crap program was akin to cutting off the Border-Gavasktar trophy presentation. Didn't see Greipel being awarded his jersey either.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:15 pm

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norbs wrote:Did Andrew Voss cut Matt White off at the end? Seemed to end in an awful hurry.


Yep, so they could show some crappy program. Poor form really. If it were a program that was mindblowingly important it would make sense but them switching to their crap program was akin to cutting off the Border-Gavasktar trophy presentation. Didn't see Greipel being awarded his jersey either.


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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby open roader » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:26 pm

I thought Sunday's live coverage was in the main quite acceptable using past year's TDU coverage as a guide, however, lack of any other live coverage, jamming a hashed highlights package miles away from weeknight prime time viewing and cutting the end of race presentations short is very amateurish.

Loved hearing Ligget and Sherwen again but get them back with SBS please.............
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby CommuRider » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:51 pm

They *could* have shown it on their other digital channel without interrupting their crappy afternoon program line-ups. But no....some Yankee whatever 1980s series repeated for the umpteenth was far more important than showing the hardwork of those involved in the TDU. Yah, woo-hoo. Waste of $ to bid for the TDU rights and a reflection of the incompetence of their program schedulers with no idea of event management...I mean are they on work experience? Or are they all Warney's programming mates?
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby Chuck » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:20 pm

sogood wrote:
}SkOrPn--7 wrote:All I can say is that coverage 9 did of the TDU was abysmal and pathetic they should be ashamed.

Which sporting event coverage have you been impressed and happy with?


Why do they have to justify their opinion to you ? It's their opinion.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby sogood » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:55 pm

Chuck wrote:Why do they have to justify their opinion to you ? It's their opinion.

Not to me, but to the forum. Unless one considers the forum as a one way soap box?
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby zozza » Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:32 pm

I didn't like the coverage and didn't watch it.

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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby gdt » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:27 am

Today's SBS Cycling Central covered the TDU and was a bit of a lesson to Channel Nine in how to do a cycling package. Technically interesting was the use of on-bike cameras -- they've been experimenting with these a bit and they've found some good angles. I do look forward to SBS convincing one of the cycling teams to run a bike with the cameras; since SBS doesn't need live access to the material there's no heavy battery neeed to power a transmitter.

The basic problem is EventsSA, the state-owned tourist promotion body. They've obviously gone for exposure over quality in choosing Channel Nine. I think events have shown that this wasnt the best choice. Interesting in that they didn't even get any worthwhile contra, such as the continuation of the Postcards program -- which was a major driver of within-state tourism.

I dont think EventsSA learned the lesson of the TDU coverage on ABC 891 Local Radio. Despite covering the TDU from the start it is only within the last two years that their sports commentators have shown any real understanding of the sport. And now that they do the coverage is much, much better. It's quite possible that Nine won't ascend the learning curve for the entire duration of the three year contract (they only get another two chances to get it right). In short, EventsSA shouldn't have gone with a channel with no prior experience of cycling, because in doing so they've compromised coverage of their event.

Also interesting is the lack of defence of Nine's coverage by its management. When the most senior person championing your program is a reporter then your program has no profile within the organisation (which also explains 11:30pm timeslots). I get the feling that the Channel Nine staff have been surprised at the quality of the event they have purchased, but I doubt if they can sell that message within Nine.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby skull » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:24 am

As mentioned by someone earlier, I think the reason 9 out bid to get it was to prevent conflicting shows against what they have running at different timeslots.

Basically trying to capture the market so no one else can use it. usual business actions.

From what coverage I did see it seemed to be ok.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby grasshopper » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:03 am

Well, I was happy to put the feet up and finally watch some TDU on the weekend. Not too bad, which is to be expected given that it was mostly Phil and Paul. Nice that they finally found some decent shirts. I was disappointed by the brevity of the review of 4-5 stages that many of us didn't get to see - certainly under 3 minutes and apparently women didn't race at all. :roll: The footage lacked clarity and had a lot of flare. Perhaps the good cameras are at the cricket, or they used a low quality (cheaper) feed.

Footballers on a cycling broadcast was very 9, but credit to the big one for saying he rides a bike. That stuff probably helps. I agree that not showing the Greipel presentation was very poor form - both parochial and disrespectful, but they were clearly up against it with time. With more respect for the fans or the sport they might have extended a minute or two (depending on the satellite), but 9 doesn't value cycling so they wouldn't care. Or perhaps it was a stuffup by the producer or organisers or anchor; still less than professional, whatever the cause. You can only hope the international broadcasters and Lotto's sponsors put a word in, to the effect WT?? And no highlights that I could see? No excuse for talking over the anthem though.

They will try to do better next year (and hoping for a breach of contract is a waste of time imo). But as an investment in the future, I think it's worth trying to get TDU added to the anti-siphoning list (which is all boof sports and the olympics), and this performance flagged under the anti-hoarding provisions of the broadcasting rules to assist in that process. From DBCDE:

While the government's current anti-siphoning provisions aim to ensure that as many Australians as possible have the opportunity to watch significant events on free-to-air television, these provisions do not deal with live coverage of listed events.

The anti-hoarding provisions require commercial television licensees who acquire the right to televise a designated event, but who do not propose to fully use that right, to offer the unused portion to the ABC and SBS for a nominal charge within a specified offer time. The national broadcasters must also offer unused portions of rights to each other.

At the very least, it would be good to have it on the radar of Conroy's office. The Codes are so narrow that there doesn't seem to a lot of point complaining to Free TV Aust (a precursor to escalating to ACMA), although FTVA does have to summarise complaints to ACMA. But every little bit helps I guess.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby }SkOrPn--7 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:40 am

sogood wrote:
}SkOrPn--7 wrote:All I can say is that coverage 9 did of the TDU was abysmal and pathetic they should be ashamed.

Which sporting event coverage have you been impressed and happy with? Personally I thought it was pretty decent. At the same time, it's always hard to please everyone... Or rather impossible. :mrgreen:


Glad you enjoyed it and that's all that matters but for the TDU it's a far cry from what SBS would present to the viewers and the amount of coverage given.

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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby sogood » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:46 am

zozza wrote:I didn't like the coverage and didn't watch it.

Classic! :mrgreen:
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby briztoon » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:20 pm

zozza wrote:I didn't like the coverage and didn't watch it.


How do you know you didn't like the coverage if you didn't watch it? :?















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TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby RonK » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:52 pm

CommuRider wrote:No Eastlake yet. Fingers crossed he doesn't grace the audio.

He won't. Eastlake has Alzheimer's, dementia and emphysema. I'm not even sure he is still alive. I've never been an Eastlake fan, but continued jokes about him show about as much taste as Abbott's crack about the sunken cruise liner.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby timbo » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:58 pm

briztoon wrote:
zozza wrote:I didn't like the coverage and didn't watch it.


How do you know you didn't like the coverage if you didn't watch it? :?

It's quite easy. There are lots of horrible green (really healthy) vege's that I can't stand even though I've probably never eaten them.















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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby Oxford » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:01 pm

I don't think anyone has joked about Eastlake as far as I can remember in this thread (happy to be corrected). many such as myself have indicated we would prefer not to listen to him as in my case I always found him to be quite annoying. RonK until your post I had no idea he was retired nor ill (I rarely watch sports on TV least of all on Nein). does that change my opinion of him or how I feel about how he did his job as a commentator? not at all.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby MichaelB » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:41 pm

Crikey, how soon we all forget.

Whilst there is little doubt that a cycling based team (SBS) would have done better, it wasn't that long ago that we got NOTHING.

Now at least, thanks to SBS, and hopefully Nein, we will continue to get more.

Nein only just got the rights, so maybe next year will be better, given the stick they have received, and the potential 'help' from ASO.

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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby Oxford » Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:54 pm

MichaelB wrote:...

I'm sometimes a glass half full guy.

was talking about this to someone the other day about this statement and they were rabbiting on about it tells a lot about someone as to their answer blah blah blah. my reply, it depends entirely on what is happening in the environment of the vessel we are referring to. for instance if your vehicle's fuel tank is indicating half way and you are driving, it is half empty IMO as it cannot get anymore full while you are driving and depleting its contents. however if that same vehicle is sitting next to a bowser and you are about to start putting in more fuel, it is half full and it will only get fuller through your actions.

over thinking it? maybe. how does it relate to this discussion? Nein are siphoning a sport ie cycling and preventing other broadcasters from giving it coverage at a reasonable time of day (weekdays I'm referring to). the actions of siphoning are to empty a vessel, so I reckon its a glass half empty.
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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Postby philip » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:04 pm

Oxford wrote:over thinking it? maybe. how does it relate to this discussion? Nein are siphoning a sport

... lol, how do you come up with this stuff, are you an english teacher?

Ok give me a go too...

Maybe the glass (your expectations) is too big. Get a glass half the size and it will be full.
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