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Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:47 pm
by Chuck
MichaelB wrote:Crikey, how soon we all forget.

Whilst there is little doubt that a cycling based team (SBS) would have done better, it wasn't that long ago that we got NOTHING.

Now at least, thanks to SBS, and hopefully Nein, we will continue to get more.

Nein only just got the rights, so maybe next year will be better, given the stick they have received, and the potential 'help' from ASO.

I'm sometimes a glass half full guy.


My opinion is that we're well beyond just being happy that cycling is on TV at all and that we're entitled to have expectations. We're also entitled to express our displeasure when our expectations aren't met. It's not like Nine has saved us from a blackout re the TDU. SBS have done it every year since it's inception and were keen to continue their association with the TDU.

Let's not forget that SBS have been delivering cycling coverage in some form since the 80's and that their commitment to the sport continues to grow....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBS_Sport

There's no need to go cap in hand to Nine and give thanks for just putting it on, it would have been on TV anyway and we could have had the added bonus of Matt Keenan, a knowledgeable, passionate and articulate cycling fan.

I only hope that Voss and the Nine crew that worked on the TDU report back to Nine management about the genuine buzz there is about the race and that Nine try to make improvements next year and spend a little more promoting it. As someone has already said, they have a good product on their hands.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:36 am
by Baldy
The quality product is what saved the day for 9

Well the product and the hill finish. If it were not for that we could have been watching 2 live stages of leadout train practice. Plus the late night highlights+Andrew Voss......yep, 9 can thank Turtur and the athletes for making their mediocre effort look ok overall.

Its a start but they need to improve quite a bit next year to pass muster again.

Next year they had better promote it like they do for the other stuff,renovators,fat losers,fat cooks ......yeah...

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:35 am
by sogood
Chuck wrote:My opinion is that we're well beyond just being happy that cycling is on TV at all and that we're entitled to have expectations. We're also entitled to express our displeasure when our expectations aren't met...

Express displeasures yes, but entitled? What does one get for free? Where's the Hare Krishna free lunch?

Show the money and one'll be "entitled" to ride in the team car, just like Gerry Ryan. :mrgreen:

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:44 am
by philip
Interesting analysis of the ratings compared with SBS from previous years here: http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2012/01/ ... -analysis/

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:17 pm
by Chuck
sogood wrote:
Chuck wrote:My opinion is that we're well beyond just being happy that cycling is on TV at all and that we're entitled to have expectations. We're also entitled to express our displeasure when our expectations aren't met...

Express displeasures yes, but entitled? What does one get for free? Where's the Hare Krishna free lunch?

Show the money and one'll be "entitled" to ride in the team car, just like Gerry Ryan. :mrgreen:


14600 odd posts and you never once expressed displeasure because you never felt entitled! Man you haven't lived! Let me be the first to invite you out of your shell, you are good enough :mrgreen:

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:32 pm
by sogood
Chuck wrote:14600 odd posts and you never once expressed displeasure because you never felt entitled! Man you haven't lived! Let me be the first to invite you out of your shell, you are good enough :mrgreen:

Getting personal again?

Staying on topic. There's a significant difference b/n expressing displeasure versus feeling entitled on something that has no basis for entitlement.

Philip's link provided good factual basis for this switch to Ch9. And now we have three free-to-air TV channels (Ch9, SBS1, SBS2) covering major road cycling events. That's a good thing.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:06 pm
by Chuck
sogood wrote:Getting personal again?


I wouldn't mind a dollar for everytime you've written that and yet you've also talked in the past about thin skinned people on forums?? I have gone off topic :oops: I'll move on :)

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:27 pm
by CommuRider
philip wrote:Interesting analysis of the ratings compared with SBS from previous years here: http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2012/01/ ... -analysis/


Poor ratings by commercial standards. Hope C9 realises it isn't much worth to them and give it back to SBS where they show programs for the love of them (remember Top Gear?). Think about it C9, you could have been showing movies and repeated US comedy shows over that weekend.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:59 pm
by Alex Simmons/RST
So for the weekend's live coverage:
2011 - SBS: 109,000 viewers
2012 - Ch 9: 291,000 viewers (2.7 times the 2011 SBS audience)

End of the day, a lot more people watched Ch9 coverage than SBS. I can't see how that is bad for the sport.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:26 am
by AUbicycles
Very interesting - you really have to look at all of the stats and I think Wade did a pretty good job of presenting the info without presenting an opinion.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:57 pm
by clackers
CommuRider wrote: Hope C9 realises it isn't much worth to them and give it back to SBS


Not me, CR ... even though I'd actually pay for a dedicated cycling channel, I'd prefer to triple the number of Australians watching the event ... which Nein have just about achieved.

Greater good, all that.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:57 pm
by }SkOrPn--7
Oxford wrote:
clackers wrote:
CommuRider wrote: Hope C9 realises it isn't much worth to them and give it back to SBS


Not me, CR ... even though I'd actually pay for a dedicated cycling channel, I'd prefer to triple the number of Australians watching the event ... which Nein have just about achieved.

Greater good, all that.

Not sure you can attribute the entire increase in numbers to Nein alone. As the blog says, what effect has Cadel's TdF win, the new GreenEdge team or Warniegate had on the numbers. Some of the increase is to do with many factors that will never be quantified.


Exactly Oxford plus the other thing is I bet many of the increase number of viewers wouldn't watch a SBS broadcast as it's not a station they would normal watch anyway it's just that 9 had a sporting event on and people just sat there watching it because it was on one of there viewing channels they consistently watch so I wouldn't place any faith in those numbers. If it went back to SBS you can bet the numbers would fall again because those that don't tune into SBS wouldn't again tune in even if they watched the event on 9 this time it's just a habit thing. Many folks leave there TV on even if not watching it so I dare say a great percentage of those that just leave there TV on not even in front of it wouldn't have it tuned into SBS it would be on one of the other stations.

Ricky

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:14 pm
by Alex Simmons/RST
}SkOrPn--7 wrote:Exactly Oxford plus the other thing is I bet many of the increase number of viewers wouldn't watch a SBS broadcast as it's not a station they would normal watch anyway it's just that 9 had a sporting event on and people just sat there watching it because it was on one of there viewing channels they consistently watch so I wouldn't place any faith in those numbers. If it went back to SBS you can bet the numbers would fall again because those that don't tune into SBS wouldn't again tune in even if they watched the event on 9 this time it's just a habit thing. Many folks leave there TV on even if not watching it so I dare say a great percentage of those that just leave there TV on not even in front of it wouldn't have it tuned into SBS it would be on one of the other stations.

But that's the whole point - the sport is getting exposed to more than double the TV audience than it would have on SBS. What's wrong with that?

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:37 pm
by Alex Simmons/RST
Oxford wrote:}SkOrPn--7's point and I agree somewhat is that often people just leave the TV on for background noise and they are likely to leave it on a channel they are familiar with such as Nein, almost like a security blanket of sorts. I know we often just leave the TV on in our house for background noise. I imagine if there was no cycling on then the TV would still be tuned into anything else that Nein had on during the day for many people, even if they are not watching it.

not sure how ratings are collected nowadays but whatever the system there are going to be holes in it somewhere.

Well following that logic through, then relatively the same proportion of people who typically have their TV on SBS would leave SBS on as background noise as well.

IOW the numbers are a valid indicator of the relative viewing audience.

By continually referring to "nein" you are simply showing a bias and unwillingness to accept the evidence.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:43 pm
by grasshopper
I am mystified by this discussion, because on my maths, SBS viewer numbers come out streets ahead, even before the Cadel/GreenEdge effect. Suggesting 9's numbers were up needs more spin than Warnie; you can only do it by cherry-picking the weekend live numbers from the CT report. Look what happens when you add in the SBS highlights from the weekend:

2011 - SBS: 109,000 viewers + 59,000 highlights = 168,000
2012 - Ch9: 291,000 viewers + 0 highlights = 291,000.
No longer double the SBS audience, let alone 2.7 times.

And if you total the coverage of the whole event - four week days plus the weekend:

2011 - SBS: 736,000 + weekend 168,000 = 904,000 viewers
2012 - Ch9: 310,000 + weekend 291,000 = 601,000 viewers

SBS FTW. By 30%. Pre Cadel's win. I don't doubt that 9 has greater reach and can do better if it so chooses in future, but I'm concerned to see an urban myth in the making (on my maths).

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:55 pm
by stinhambo
I was looking forward to watching this after work but Win completely screwed it up with crap late night viewing.

This is why we need internet TV.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:24 pm
by CommuRider
stinhambo wrote:This is why we need internet TV.


I have internet tv thanks to Sony's blu-ray disc player with built-in wireless (old Dick Smith dvd player croaked and Costco had this) SBS' internet tv channel has cycling highlights. Am loving the ABC iview but C7's net channel is pretty good - Dilbert episodes from series 1&2.....and GUMBY!

Alex, C9 has been called Nein for yonks now. I think I came across it first during the height of aus.tv's popularity in the 90s.

Viewer: Can we have RWC live coverage from the start?
German accent C9: Nein
Viewer: Can we have live TdU coverage from the start?
C9: Nein
Viewer: Can you be a broadcaster that listen to its viewers?
C9: Nein, nein, nein!

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:07 pm
by Mulger bill
}SkOrPn--7 wrote:Many folks leave there TV on even if not watching it...
Ricky


Damn right. ABC Jazz on the radio channel FTW!!! 8)

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:08 pm
by Mulger bill
CommuRider wrote:Viewer: Can you be a broadcaster that listen to its viewers?
C9: What? I'm sorry, did you speak?


Fixed that for yer. :mrgreen:

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:10 pm
by Alex Simmons/RST
grasshopper wrote:I am mystified by this discussion, because on my maths, SBS viewer numbers come out streets ahead, even before the Cadel/GreenEdge effect. Suggesting 9's numbers were up needs more spin than Warnie; you can only do it by cherry-picking the weekend live numbers from the CT report. Look what happens when you add in the SBS highlights from the weekend:

2011 - SBS: 109,000 viewers + 59,000 highlights = 168,000
2012 - Ch9: 291,000 viewers + 0 highlights = 291,000.
No longer double the SBS audience, let alone 2.7 times.

And if you total the coverage of the whole event - four week days plus the weekend:

2011 - SBS: 736,000 + weekend 168,000 = 904,000 viewers
2012 - Ch9: 310,000 + weekend 291,000 = 601,000 viewers

SBS FTW. By 30%. Pre Cadel's win. I don't doubt that 9 has greater reach and can do better if it so chooses in future, but I'm concerned to see an urban myth in the making (on my maths).

I don't doubt your maths but can one be sure there was no double counting of people watching a repeat?

I suppose what we can't know is how many unique individuals saw some coverage but ratings for the live stages gives a pretty good idea of he difference I think.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:36 pm
by sogood
grasshopper wrote:2011 - SBS: 109,000 viewers + 59,000 highlights = 168,000
2012 - Ch9: 291,000 viewers + 0 highlights = 291,000.
No longer double the SBS audience, let alone 2.7 times.

And if you total the coverage of the whole event - four week days plus the weekend:

2011 - SBS: 736,000 + weekend 168,000 = 904,000 viewers
2012 - Ch9: 310,000 + weekend 291,000 = 601,000 viewers

In statistics, skewing the data and taking boundary conditions is a great way to justify one's case.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:42 pm
by Mulger bill
Regarding the above few posts, can somebody tell us what a highlight is?

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:29 am
by CommuRider
Mulger bill wrote:Regarding the above few posts, can somebody tell us what a highlight is?


Cycling Central on SBS?

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:00 pm
by RICHARDH
Most topics on this forum struggle to make it past the first page, would love to see 17 pages of discussion on actual racing.

Re: TdU Channel Nine coverage

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:20 pm
by Parrott
RICHARDH wrote:Most topics on this forum struggle to make it past the first page, would love to see 17 pages of discussion on actual racing.


viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41251 :mrgreen: