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2012 Tour de France

Postby AUbicycles » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:02 pm

Early days yet though the 2012 professional cycling season has started and the Tour de France is viewed by many as the highlight of the year.

With the new Aussie team, Team GreenEDGE, will 2012 see the most Australian's ever riding the TDF?
The 2012 course is out: www.letour.fr

So lets look at some of the riders:
Contador - a verdict is apparantly due out this month in the farce surrounding the doping case. Lets say he leaves out the Giro d'Italia, does he have a chance?
Schleck Brothers - Can Andy learn to do a better Time Trial in one year?
Voeckler - Was 2011 a coming of age with 2012 the natural progression to an overall win, a French win?

Cadel has pros and cons - the respect and fear (by other riders) of someone who can actually win, but also the intense 'marking of the man' that has been seen before where his opponents know he is dangerous and seek to persistantly counter each move and narrow any advantage. This is where his team has to work hard.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby DavidS » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:03 am

Difficult to pick I reckon.

Contador has to be a very good chance if he gets off. When he takes off up a hill it is magical, then again maybe too magical ;)

Andy Schleck suffers from not being an all rounder - he is weak on time trials and descending. The race is so close you can't afford any weaknesses. Mind you, anyone who comes second clearly has the ability to win, but he does need to lose less time on the time trials.

Cadel certainly could do it again. He needs to do what he did this year and concentrate on his own strengths. He needs to grind them down up the hills rather than exploding like Contador does.

Can't see Voeckler being a serious contender.

Who was that young French guy who won a mountain stage last year? He looked very good but maybe too young as yet.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby briztoon » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:14 am

This years course favours the all rounder even more so than last year, especially with two ITT. I can't see Frandy as serious contenders. If Contador rides, I believe Contador will win it, especially if he skips the Giro. Cadel for second and possibly Wiggins for third. I believe if Sky had ridden for Froome at last years Vuelta instead of Wiggins, then Froome would have won it. So Froome is my dark horse if he continues his rapid improvement (and rides the Tour) and Sky race for the best rider on the day and not for Wiggins only.

As for GreenEdge, they'll provide a nice lead out train for Cavendish at the sprint finishes.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Tale » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:14 am

DavidS wrote:Who was that young French guy who won a mountain stage last year? He looked very good but maybe too young as yet.


I can't remember. But I am always on the lookout for Amaël Moinard. He's always under the radar (except that BMC was clearly impressed). He came 15th in the TdF a few years ago, is the same age as Contador and did one of the most amazing solo breakaways I've seen (stage 11, 2008, climbing and descending like a freak - was just run down at the end). Won a stage of Paris-Nice last year.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby roller » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:46 am

DavidS wrote:Who was that young French guy who won a mountain stage last year? He looked very good but maybe too young as yet.

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pierre rolland, he won the alpe d'huez stage i think it was.

such a great stage that.

and the white jersey.

can't wait for the TDF this year!

If contador is racing and doesn't do the giro, i'd back him, though I think with the route they have put together Cadel has a real shot at it too.

The schlecks will suffer because of the extra time trial kms.

All in all, i think it's wide open, which can only be a good thing :D
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby DavidS » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:17 pm

Rolland, that's the guy. He's certainly one for the future, probably the near future.

Does look wide open. I hope it's as exciting as 2011, that was a great race.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby population100 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:56 am

Does anyone think Wiggins has a good chance of winning? Sky will be sending a pretty impressive squad (admittedly to also support Cav) but Wiggins is a proven all rounder.

With the extent of TT in year I'm putting my money on him.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby roller » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:14 pm

population100 wrote:Does anyone think Wiggins has a good chance of winning?


no.

I think he'll get shafted as sky, despite all their "we'll support both" talk, will end up going for stage wins for cav and then are too spent to support him in the mountains.

or they'll head into the tour with goal of getting cav the green jersey and wiggins the yellow and by trying to achieve too much they will fail in both.

and possibly boasson hagen will be wanting to improve on last year's results, so that could be another drain on the team's resources.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby population100 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:51 pm

roller wrote:I think he'll get shafted as sky, despite all their "we'll support both" talk, will end up going for stage wins for cav and then are too spent to support him in the mountains.


Perhaps you are right (although I hope not). I guess the problem is that Cav is a much greater certainty for the green jersey / stage wins than Wiggins for yellow. I suspect that the strategy will be decided as the race unfolds - i.e. if Wiggins gets through the first week well and is looking strong after 1 or 2 mountain stages then he'll get support from the team. If not then they'll all work for Cav.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby im_no_pro » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:06 pm

Cadel and El pistolero (assuming he rides, hope he doesnt :twisted: ) have to be the early favourites for mine. With Cav in rainbow and just being Cav in general, Sky will have to support him, and I don't think they can do that and put Wiggo on the top step. I think Cav will have a lot more to compete against this year with Renshaw, Gossy and Greipel all going up against him as well as the usual suspects and this will drain Sky even further. Looking forward to seeing Rolland improve even further but still think he is a little way off. Nothing short of a miracle will help Frandy on this course. There was some suggestion that one or the other would target the Giro, but the official line seems to be that Fuglsang is the man for the Giro. Menchov for a possible dark horse, but unlikely I think.

One I was looking forward to seeing this year was Tony Martin. Not suggesting he could have taken it out but with the large amount of time trialling in this years course I honestly believe he could do top 10. Apparently he is only focusing on the two TT stages though as his ultimate goal for the year is the Olympics TT :(
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby briztoon » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:40 pm

If Sky are smart, they'll realise that they don't need to support Cav at all. All they have to do is tell Cav to tack on to the back end of the GreenEdge train. But then again, after this weeks early stages of the TDU, that may not be such a good idea. So plan B for Sky, tell Cav to tack on to the back of the Lotto Belisol train. I'm sure Greipel will love being the lead out man for Cav. :lol:
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby population100 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:58 pm

briztoon wrote:So plan B for Sky, tell Cav to tack on to the back of the Lotto Belisol train


The Lotto train is dominating at the TDU. No one else seems to be able to establish a lead out.

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2012 Tour de France

Postby Parrott » Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:35 pm

Really looking forward to the sprint finish stages in the tour this year now that Griepel has a lead out train also. Cav may not have it all his way this year

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby toolonglegs » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:01 pm

Sky will ride for Cav... then if Wiggo is in great form...well we will see.
Wiggo wasn't the strongest rider at Sky last TDF after all. Cav won't have an 8 man Skytrain if Wiggo is in form...if he isn't then Cav will have a very fast train :lol: .

Hoping to be at every stage this year...fingers crossed. Whether I get to actually see much of it is another matter.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Parrott » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:15 pm

Team Sky 2012

Davide Appollonio (Ita)
Michael Barry (Can)
Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor)
Mark Cavendish (GBr) - from HTC Highroad
Alex Dowsett (GBr)
Bernhard Eisel (Aut) - from HTC Highroad
Juan Antonio Flecha (Spa)
Chris Froome (GBr)
Mathew Hayman (Aus)
Sergio Henao (Col) - from Gobernacion de Antioquia
Jeremy Hunt (GBr)
Peter Kennaugh (GBr)
Christian Knees (Ger)
Thomas Lofkvist (Swe)
Lars-Petter Nordhaug (Nor)
Danny Pate (USA) - from HTC Highroad
Richie Porte (Aus) - from Saxo Bank-SunGard
Salvatore Puccio (Ita) - from Menfi-AG
Michael Rogers (Aus)
Luke Rowe (GBr) - from GB Academy
Kanstanstin Siutsou (Blr) - from HTC Highroad
Ian Stannard (GBr)
Chris Sutton (Aus)
Ben Swift (GBr)
Geraint Thomas (GBr)
Rigoberto Uran (Col)
Bradley Wiggins (GBr)
Xabier Zandio (Spa)

Vs

Lotto Belisol 2012

Lars Ytting Bak
Gaetan Bille
BULGAC Brian
Sander Cordeel
Bart De Clercq
Francis De Greef
Kenny Dehaes
Gert Dockx
Andre Greipel
Adam Hansen
Gregory Henderson
Olivier Kaisen
Maarten Neyens
Vicente Reynes Mimo
Jurgen Roelandts
Marcel Sieberg
Mehdi Sohrabi
Jurgen Van De Walle
Jurgen Van Den Broeck
Joost van Leijen
Dennis Vanendert
Jelle Vanendert
Jonas Vangenechten
Frederik Willems

I don't know alot of the riders, but there are more names I recognise on Sky. You are right TL Cav will have a strong lead out train.

Hopefully Bak, Hendersen and Hansen can keep them honest in the last km though. 8)

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby you cannot be sirrus » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:55 pm

I can't help thinking that Cav and Wiggins will be distracted by the Olympics being on home soil just a few weeks after the tour and that will affect their performances.
Cadel didn't put a foot wrong this year, avoided all the crashes and kept fit. It would be hard to do that two years running.
I reckon Andy Schleck can do it as long as Contador isn't there, how that farce will pan out is anyone's guess.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby briztoon » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:14 pm

you cannot be sirrus wrote:I reckon Andy Schleck can do it as long as Contador isn't there, how that farce will pan out is anyone's guess.


Are your serious? With two individual time trials in this years tour, the Schlecks will need to build massive time gains in the mountains.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby population100 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:52 pm

you cannot be sirrus wrote:I reckon Andy Schleck can do it as long as Contador isn't there, how that farce will pan out is anyone's guess.


No way, not with this that much ITT. Cadel put about 2 and a half minutes into Andy over a 42km course. What's the amount if ITT in the 2012 TDF? I thought it was about 80km. I don't think the Andy Schleck can gain that much of a lead in the mountains. Especially with other GC contenders who can time trial (i.e. Wiggins)

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby briztoon » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:29 am

Is it to early to start discussing and guessing the team make up for GreenEdge at this years leTour.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby roller » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:55 am

briztoon wrote:Is it to early to start discussing and guessing the team make up for GreenEdge at this years leTour.


never too early to start discussing anything TDF related!
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby population100 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:09 pm

briztoon wrote:Is it to early to start discussing and guessing the team make up for GreenEdge at this years leTour.


Impressive start to the season, although I thought they were given a nice dose of luck given some of the other team tactics on the final 2 days of racing.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby im_no_pro » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:31 pm

briztoon wrote:Is it to early to start discussing and guessing the team make up for GreenEdge at this years leTour.


I've been trying to figure out what sort of leadout they will put together for Gossy.
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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Drunkmonkey » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:24 pm

you cannot be sirrus wrote:I reckon Andy Schleck can do it as long as Contador isn't there


Funniest comment I have read on this forum all year :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Drunkmonkey » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:28 pm

briztoon wrote:
you cannot be sirrus wrote:I reckon Andy Schleck can do it as long as Contador isn't there, how that farce will pan out is anyone's guess.


Are your serious? With two individual time trials in this years tour, the Schlecks will need to build massive time gains in the mountains.


And there are only 3 mountain top stages :wink:

The route is perfect for Cadel and Wiggo.

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Re: 2012 Tour de France

Postby Drunkmonkey » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:38 pm

population100 wrote:
you cannot be sirrus wrote:I reckon Andy Schleck can do it as long as Contador isn't there, how that farce will pan out is anyone's guess.


No way, not with this that much ITT. Cadel put about 2 and a half minutes into Andy over a 42km course. What's the amount if ITT in the 2012 TDF? I thought it was about 80km. I don't think the Andy Schleck can gain that much of a lead in the mountains. Especially with other GC contenders who can time trial (i.e. Wiggins)


Dont forget the Schlecks had to get Fabian to drag them around the course in the prologue TTT - they wont have his help this year :lol:

ITT for 2012:
prologue - 6.1 km
Stage 9 - 38km
Stage 19 - 52km

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