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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby yarravalleyplodder » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:38 pm

sogood wrote:
yarravalleyplodder wrote:anyway the fact so many struggled either up the hill or to back up tells me they are clean, well I hope so anyway

Poor performance is no proof of cleanliness as any one can do it. But unbelievable performance is smoking gun for uncleanness. That's all.

I will continue to enjoy the Tour. Dope or not, as long as riders attack and ride with guts, it's exciting. It only gets boring when the yellow jersey continues to ride behind others, stage after stage. Last year's Tour was boring.

you think porte chose to blow up and not be in a position to help froome

I agree with your second paragraph
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:51 pm

RonK wrote:
Yeah, that's what Lance kept saying. :roll:


There was evidence against Lance, it was out there but denied.

Chuck wrote:Has Froome had people testify under oath that he doped or confessed to doping ? Has he had samples tested retrospectively that are positive for EPO ? Has a TUE been backdated to cover for a doping positive ?
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:55 pm

AUbicycles wrote:Admin note - happy to split the thread and give doping its own thread - let me get a few votes and I will do this.



+1

I don't believe doping speculation in the absence of any evidence is in any way helpful for the sport.
If we must have it, as it appears we must, it would be great for it to be confined to its own thread rather than choking this one.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:58 pm

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My eyes are on the little Columbian guy from Movistar. He was mixing it up and forcing reactions. We need more of that.


He is a fantastic rider to watch, and beat Porte in a tt earlier in the year, I thought I heard a commentator say?
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:07 pm

yarravalleyplodder wrote:you think porte chose to blow up and not be in a position to help froome

I didn't suggest that but certainly a possibility to dispel and over confident claims. So just staying with first principle, that poor performance is no proof of being clean.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:12 pm

warthog1 wrote:
bigfriendlyvegan wrote:My eyes are on the little Columbian guy from Movistar. He was mixing it up and forcing reactions. We need more of that.

He is a fantastic rider to watch, and beat Porte in a tt earlier in the year, I thought I heard a commentator say?

Where did he come from? Enjoyed watching his poker face and his willingness to give it a go. He certainly had fun dancing around Froome in St 9.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:37 pm

sogood wrote:Where did he come from? Enjoyed watching his poker face and his willingness to give it a go. He certainly had fun dancing around Froome in St 9.


Columbia :P :)
Apart from that I don't know sorry.
He's certainly livening things up though.
Awesome effort if he did beat Porte in a tt, I can't find it though. According to Wikipedia he's only just over 57 kg.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:53 pm

warthog1 wrote:Columbia :P :)
Apart from that I don't know sorry.
He's certainly livening things up though.
Awesome effort if he did beat Porte in a tt, I can't find it though. According to Wikipedia he's only just over 57 kg.

Columbia! I also know he is called Nairo Quintana. :P
He may not beat Porte in the TT but I would love to see him winning a mountain stage. He deserves it.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby RobM » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:34 pm

57kg! Man, the strava hill segments I could win if I was that light :P


Enough doping talk. What about the green jersey? Think Sagan has that wrapped up?? Cav certainly would be disappointed with his tour so far. He brought his brand new signature bike and everything.

Re the polka dot jersey - how good is it to see Clarke giving the mountains a decent nudge. Makes me wonder how Matty Lloyd is going....been off the radar for awhile now.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby liamb » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:38 pm

I wonder if Porte wishes he was riding for Green Edge. Despite everything they all seem to smile much more than any others and especially Sky. Sky seem to be a emotionless machine tuned for one thing only. Full credit to them for doing it but in the past it has been like watching paint dry. I hate wishing an Aussie to fail but watching Sky fail was heart warming.

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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby Shpox » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:41 pm

Agree about Cav. If you've composed an entire team to help your win the sprints and you don't, seems a bit like a lost cause. Would like to see him at least challenge Griepel for the intermediates. Still a long tour left, but it looks like Sagan will keep it with the Pyrenees coming. Maybe we'll see something from him tonight.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby MarkG » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:41 pm

I think he'd rather be on a winning team..
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:45 pm

RobM wrote:57kg! Man, the strava hill segments I could win if I was that light :P


Enough doping talk. What about the green jersey? Think Sagan has that wrapped up?? Cav certainly would be disappointed with his tour so far. He brought his brand new signature bike and everything.


I dropped 6 kg earlier this year and that made a massive difference on the climbs :o It's not hard to see how he flies up the hills at that weight.

Sagan has the green jersey for good again this year. The others might as well concentrate on stage wins.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:00 pm

RobM wrote:57kg! Man, the strava hill segments I could win if I was that light :P


Hey, I know you said no more doping talk, but if you're interested in winning strava segments, have a look here (digital epo).
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby RobM » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:12 pm

Hahaha we need to break the omertà of silence on strava doping.

I admit it. One time, I forgot to turn off my garmin on the drive home. The team made me do it.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby AUbicycles » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:18 am

Shpox wrote:Agree about Cav. If you've composed an entire team to help your win the sprints and you don't, seems a bit like a lost cause. Would like to see him at least challenge Griepel for the intermediates.


Greipel just got it... and thats how I like it. Still like to see the challenge though.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby MarkG » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:21 am

Lol who just saw the bloke pull his pants down when the tele chopper went past?
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby warthog1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:53 am

That didn't look good Cav
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby warthog1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:04 am

There might be one very angry Dutch cyclist after Cavendish following that.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby MREJ » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:48 am

Cav definitely gave him a nudge. It looked at least careless, if not deliberate.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby jamesn184 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:10 am

Veelers dropped back and swayed to the right... If you watch it properly you'd see cav trying to swing away with no luck
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby find_bruce » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:37 am

I don't understand OGE tactics in coming to the front with 5 km to go & then burning out before the finish, with Goss sprinting for 11th

Edit: it seems I missed the fact that Goss was nearly a victim of Tom Veelers crash
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby btothec » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:45 am

Philipthelam wrote:
Apparently TJ was affected by the heat ... isn't it like only 20 something degrees over there?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/07/ ... age_293998



No it's pretty hot over here at the moment. Both mountain stages it was in the low 30's on the climbs so warmer down in the valley. Today my garmin was showing 40+ deg while we were climbing Port de Bales.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby g-boaf » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:25 am

RobM wrote:57kg! Man, the strava hill segments I could win if I was that light :P


Enough doping talk. What about the green jersey? Think Sagan has that wrapped up?? Cav certainly would be disappointed with his tour so far. He brought his brand new signature bike and everything.

Re the polka dot jersey - how good is it to see Clarke giving the mountains a decent nudge. Makes me wonder how Matty Lloyd is going....been off the radar for awhile now.


Damn, 4kg lighter than me. :shock:

Shame I missed the end of the stage, only saw some poor videos of the Cav incident. :roll:
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby michael_w » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:16 am

Shpox wrote:Agree about Cav. If you've composed an entire team to help your win the sprints and you don't, seems a bit like a lost cause. Would like to see him at least challenge Griepel for the intermediates. Still a long tour left, but it looks like Sagan will keep it with the Pyrenees coming. Maybe we'll see something from him tonight.

3rd team in three years. Is there any cohesion among the team members? Does the train have all the kinks ironed out?

It's a forgone conclusion now since he's stated he's only aiming for stage wins - he's given up on the green. It's not out of reach, but it would require a lot of hard work. Maybe some in the team are afraid of that.
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