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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby brentono » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:52 am

MREJ wrote:Cav definitely gave him a nudge. It looked at least careless, if not deliberate.


Signs of desperation.
As pointed out in the SBS commentary afterwards,
the statement to Tomalaris about "possible relegation"
And anyone who looked closely to the video, was a bit more than just a nudge.

As stated...
Veelers, who sustained no serious injuries but admitted he was "bruised and scratched",
said: "I think it's clear to see on the video that he (Cavendish) is riding me into the ground."

True. And it was lucky his (Cavendish) action didn't bring anyone else down. Poor form.

And Understatement of the day-
Remarkably, race jury president Vicente Tortajada Villaroya cleared Cavendish of any wrongdoing.


Good day for Sagan for the "Green Jersey" consolidating points in both sprints.

Good second stage win to Marcel Kittel

Enjoy Le Tour
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby RobM » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:39 pm

Well Cav might have some better cohesion and luck in 2014 - our old mate Renshaw will be joining him.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby roller » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:53 pm

btothec wrote:Port de Bales.


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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby reefer » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:47 pm

MREJ wrote:Cav definitely gave him a nudge. It looked at least careless, if not deliberate.


I expect it was deliberate and deserved. Watch the slow mo of the sprint.

Notice how the rider he “nudged” went from just left of the centre line to well right of it, in Cav’s path. Also note, he looked around before the "nudge” to see where Cav was :wink:

I’d expect nothing less 8)
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby singlespeedscott » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:03 pm

reefer wrote:
MREJ wrote:Cav definitely gave him a nudge. It looked at least careless, if not deliberate.


I expect it was deliberate and deserved. Watch the slow mo of the sprint.

Notice how the rider he “nudged” went from just left of the centre line to well right of it, in Cav’s path. Also note, he looked around before the "nudge” to see where Cav was :wink:

I’d expect nothing less 8)


If he had done that to me there would be a punch-on.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby winstonw » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:44 pm

reefer wrote:
MREJ wrote:Cav definitely gave him a nudge. It looked at least careless, if not deliberate.


I expect it was deliberate and deserved. Watch the slow mo of the sprint.

Notice how the rider he “nudged” went from just left of the centre line to well right of it, in Cav’s path. Also note, he looked around before the "nudge” to see where Cav was :wink:

I’d expect nothing less 8)


I watched the vid super slow mo several times this mroning.

I agree Veelers intentionally moved further right than necessary so as to hinder Cav. He looked down and back to the right, before moving further right, so must have seen Cav there.

Nevertheless, Cav's swing out to the right and subsequent charge back left and into Veelers was designed to deliberately knock the guy hard....though Cav probably didn't expect he would come down.

On balance I think Cav escalated it to an unacceptable level.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:43 pm

reefer wrote:I expect it was deliberate and deserved. Watch the slow mo of the sprint.

Not sure what the rules and practical rulings are, but it's also true that they are approaching a left bend. When the lead out takes the middle of the road and slows down and continues in a straight line and effectively closes out any one on the right, it's no surprise any one to the right would push to protect their opening.

The race organizer has to a part of the blame on their course setting.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby MarkG » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:49 pm

This is the from the crash Tony Martin was in at the start ..
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby toolonglegs » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:51 pm

The stakes are high, Veelers knew what he was doing, so did Cav... Someone sits up 200m from the line in 3rd wheel in a TDF sprint and guess what.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby toolonglegs » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:53 pm

MarkG wrote:This is the from the crash Tony Martin was in at the start ..
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:50 pm

toolonglegs wrote:The stakes are high, Veelers knew what he was doing, so did Cav... Someone sits up 200m from the line in 3rd wheel in a TDF sprint and guess what.

They are all pros and know the intricacies of the game. No sympathies to any one here.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby MarkG » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:51 pm

Hey sogood - do you do any racing, TTs or anything like that?
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby ldrcycles » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:35 pm

Man I would not like to be in his shoes, those wounds will be mighty uncomfortable :( .
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby MREJ » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:35 pm

Even if the other rider impeded him, I don't think it warranted a deliberate nudge. (I'm not saying it was deliberate; just making a point of principle. Ie, in sport, it's not ok to respond to one infringement with another.)
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby warthog1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:51 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:
If he had done that to me there would be a punch-on.


Fair chance from me too. I watched the overhead view last night and Cavendish definitely leant over to the left, away from the midline of his bike as he headed left and shouldered Veelers hard.
Veelers must be looking like a skun rabbit now after hitting the deck at 55-60 kmh
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:04 pm

MarkG wrote:Hey sogood - do you do any racing, TTs or anything like that?

I have in the past. Risk profile and time demands don't suit me any more.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby sogood » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:09 pm

Fact is, the commissaires have ruled that no one is to be penalised. Of course, spectators know better. ;)
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby winstonw » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:20 pm

warthog1 wrote:I watched the overhead view last night and Cavendish definitely leant over to the left, away from the midline of his bike as he headed left and shouldered Veelers hard.


I agree....but my perspective on Cav's mindset at the time was not to bring Veelers down, but to put the wind so far up his kyber, his future leadouts would be executed minus one testicle....thus Kittel's future sprints would be hamstrung.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby biker jk » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:51 pm

So how much time is Froome going to add to his lead over the other GC contenders in the ITT tonight? I reckon at least a minute and two minutes isn't out of the question. Go the dawg, please go full retard again and ramp up the entertainment to eleven on the dial.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby warthog1 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:57 pm

Contador used to able to tt, shouldn't get a minute over him. I reckon he will though.
It's a pity Porte dropped so much time, I'd like to have seen his time. No point him going hard now though.
I wonder how fast Martin is going to go beat up like he is.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby find_bruce » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:02 pm

warthog1 wrote:Contador used to able to tt, shouldn't get a minute over him. I reckon he will though.
It's a pity Porte dropped so much time, I'd like to have seen his time. No point him going hard now though.
I wonder how fast Martin is going to go beat up like he is.

Porte will still go hard - sky will want to use him for pace notes
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby KL. » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:25 pm

Technically, Veelers did a bit of a Renshaw by deliberately impeding Cavendish (a little).
So, he should really get the same penalty that Renshaw received in a previous TDF, which is removal from the TDF, but that would be a little tough because Cavendish was so forceful (retaliatory).

Cav should loose his points for that sprint (as a minimum) and be issued with a warning.
It was very lucky that Veelers fall didn't cause anybody else to crash.

Go Aussies in the TT tonight ..
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:56 pm

sogood wrote:Fact is, the commissaires have ruled that no one is to be penalised. Of course, spectators know better. ;)


My dad's a cricket umpire. When people challenge his decisions he tells them to go and have a look in the scorebook. It always says what he told them.
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby Chuck » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:11 pm

toolonglegs wrote:The stakes are high, Veelers knew what he was doing, so did Cav... Someone sits up 200m from the line in 3rd wheel in a TDF sprint and guess what.


Agree, Veelers contributed to his own downfall.

warthog1 wrote:I wonder how fast Martin is going to go beat up like he is.


Very :!:
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Re: 2013 Tour de France

Postby jcjordan » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:19 pm

Stories are coming out that Cavendish has had urine thrown on him at the TT

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