2013 Giro d'Italia
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby Chuck » Mon May 13, 2013 3:37 pm
Liking what I'm seeing from Cadel, not just his riding but his whole outlook, feels positive. Like the 2011 Tour I'm trying to temper my excitement, a long way to go and even if form is good luck also needs to play it's part.
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby AndyTheMan » Mon May 13, 2013 3:54 pm
That's a really good point - in the last couple of stages he has been really timid on the descents, probably not helped by a few other riders taking a tumble here and there - and also by his own fall a couple of days back....Wiggo rode a strong TT. he wimped it through the technical sections - of which there were many - and got off to swap bikes. and still almost won.
But des[ite all his issues in the TT, (including getting a flat and stopping to change bikes)..... he was STILL only about 10 seconds off the pace....
As a side note:
I reckon just the fact that we are on here talking about the race is a good sign!
There are so many opinions this year, and so many possibilties. Wiggins went from being the 'in form' rider to barely keeping up and almost bursting into tears on the descents.....Evans went from barely keeping up to potentially being in a place to have a shot...... a bit of luck, or a strong day by one rider/team and everything changes again ....
Will Wiggins re-gain his composure? Can Nibali hang on to the pink jersey? Will Evans hang on in the mountains and nail the final TT? Has team Sky fallen apart? Will Wiggo and Froome have a punch-up before the TdF starts....
I mean, the TdF last year was so boring, completely dominated by Team Sky in every aspect ... just really didn't inspire me to sit up till all hours watching...
The Giro so far has so many unknowns, so many possibilities, it seems that the picture changes every day - its just brilliant ... and with everyone having their minds on the TdF in a months time, we could be in for some great racing! (throughout both the rest of the Giro and the TdF)
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby jcjordan » Mon May 13, 2013 9:24 pm
Based on his previous TT efforts it was very weak in my opinion.jules21 wrote:disagree. Wiggo rode a strong TT. he wimped it through the technical sections - of which there were many - and got off to swap bikes. and still almost won.jcjordan wrote:Bases on how he looked in yesterday's stage andbthe TT it would not surprise me if he is sick.
his problem yesterday was his lack of descending skills in the wet. these are problems, but not terminal ones.
everyone is getting stuck into Wiggo, when he is clearly in strong form.
My main reason for my thinking is based on more on his mental state. He looks cracked already.
Add to this he knows that his team is not strong enough to push the tempo like they did in yhe TDF which means he will have to respond to every attack. This not something he does well and I cat see him doing a Cadel and just building a tempo which gets him back on and rides the other climbers off the wheel.
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby MichaelB » Tue May 14, 2013 12:28 pm
+1 to thatjcjordan wrote:jules21 wrote:jcjordan wrote: his previous TT efforts it was very weak in my opinion.
My main reason for my thinking is based on more on his mental state. He looks cracked already.
Add to this he knows that his team is not strong enough to push the tempo like they did in yhe TDF which means he will have to respond to every attack. This not something he does well and I cat see him doing a Cadel and just building a tempo which gets him back on and rides the other climbers off the wheel.
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby jules21 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:37 pm
i still think you're selling Sky short there. they have Henao and Uran for the hills. maybe it's cadel and nibbles who should be worried about being isolated?jcjordan wrote:Add to this he knows that his team is not strong enough to push the tempo like they did in yhe TDF which means he will have to respond to every attack. This not something he does well and I cat see him doing a Cadel and just building a tempo which gets him back on and rides the other climbers off the wheel.
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby clackers » Tue May 14, 2013 1:56 pm
Yeah, remember the Tour last year where Nibali and Evans failed with their attacks? But here there's no Rogers, Froome or Porte.jasonc wrote:I'd take an isolated nibali over this team sky. cadel is somewhere in between those two.
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby jasonc » Tue May 14, 2013 3:41 pm
more of a team ground than a team sky.clackers wrote:Yeah, remember the Tour last year where Nibali and Evans failed with their attacks? But here there's no Rogers, Froome or Porte.jasonc wrote:I'd take an isolated nibali over this team sky. cadel is somewhere in between those two.
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby ft_critical » Tue May 14, 2013 9:21 pm
I ‘watch latered’ some Russian Eurosport coverage but that was taken down…. Dun, dun dah… A few of the saved YouTube names that used to upload cycling say they can’t anymore… Dun, dun, dah….
I have a trainer week this week with the wife O/S so I was all set to watch some of the back stages… nothing. I have had to switch back to Foxtel Sport to record Eurosport. I really wanted to watch the Amalfi stage as I love that area.
No videos on SBS either. Gazetta must be tightly controlling this one.
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby DavidTomic » Tue May 14, 2013 9:45 pm
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby find_bruce » Tue May 14, 2013 11:54 pm
ft_critical wrote:No videos on SBS either. Gazetta must be tightly controlling this one.
Only the 5 minute & 30 minute highlight packages though - no full stage coverage though if that is what you are afterdalai47 wrote:SBS have the highlights package you can watch - http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/videos" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby MichaelB » Wed May 15, 2013 6:23 am
Wonder if Froomey is smiling just a little ......
On the other hand, if Henao & Uran are wearing themselves out here, will they go to the Tour & still be a good help to Froome ?
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby AndyTheMan » Wed May 15, 2013 1:42 pm
I read some stuff this morning that said that Uran's attacks off the front, might be a tactic by Sky to try and wear out Nibali and Evans...perhaps give Wiggins an opportunity to win some time back later.ozdavo wrote:With Uran being "Allowed" (by Sky) to win the stage, and Wiggo loosing more time & finishing alone; is this evidence team sky has "given up" of this years Giro?
IMHO, that tactic would only work if Wiggins stopped losing time ......
Evans keeping up was a good sign - looks like he is playing the game, not letting Nibali get too big a lead ... there is a still a lot of racing left and I guess the plan might be to just keep up/hang on and see whether an opportunity opens up....(next TT? Future attack when Nibali isn't looking?)
Based on the roads, mountains, terrain and weather, if Evans can hang in there then an opportuity might come up later on....
Looks like Wiggo is out of the running though - realistically, you wouldn' want to be continually conceding time to the leaders...
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby DavidTomic » Wed May 15, 2013 3:09 pm
It's still a bit of a shame that Nibali managed to get over the line in front of him and pick up another 12 seconds of time bonus though.AndyTheMan wrote:
Evans keeping up was a good sign - looks like he is playing the game, not letting Nibali get too big a lead ... there is a still a lot of racing left and I guess the plan might be to just keep up/hang on and see whether an opportunity opens up....(next TT? Future attack when Nibali isn't looking?)
Had their finishing positions been reversed Evans would have only been trailing by 17 seconds, instead of the 41 that he is now.
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby biker jk » Wed May 15, 2013 3:22 pm
Clearly Nibali had the fresher legs since he had a team mate to pace him up the last steep climb. Again, Evans' team lets him down.DavidTomic wrote:It's still a bit of a shame that Nibali managed to get over the line in front of him and pick up another 12 seconds of time bonus though.AndyTheMan wrote:
Evans keeping up was a good sign - looks like he is playing the game, not letting Nibali get too big a lead ... there is a still a lot of racing left and I guess the plan might be to just keep up/hang on and see whether an opportunity opens up....(next TT? Future attack when Nibali isn't looking?)
Had their finishing positions been reversed Evans would have only been trailing by 17 seconds, instead of the 41 that he is now.
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby The_Eggman » Wed May 15, 2013 3:28 pm
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby jules21 » Wed May 15, 2013 3:31 pm
i'd suggest Cadel is well and truly shooting for the Giro win now, even if he still has eyes on the Tour.The_Eggman wrote:Evans can do fine piggybacking on the Sky riders. No pressure on Cadel or BMC. After all they are focusing on TdF
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
Postby AndyTheMan » Wed May 15, 2013 4:56 pm
jules21 wrote:i'd suggest Cadel is well and truly shooting for the Giro win now, even if he still has eyes on the Tour.The_Eggman wrote:Evans can do fine piggybacking on the Sky riders. No pressure on Cadel or BMC. After all they are focusing on TdF
I agree, even if you assume that Evans only went into the Giro as a training run/test for the legs or whatever, you would have to think that he would now have one eye on the Giro prize....
It looks like its shaping up to be Nibali vs Evans (over the next couple of days, atleast), with Wiggo seeming to get further behind with each stage....
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Re: 2013 Giro d'Italia
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