2016 Tour de France
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:14 pm
Head there.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:25 pm
Froome is in the box seat sure, but there will still be some action
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby DavidS » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:56 pm
That time trial looks remarkably short. I was reading some comments on another website tonight about how long the TTs were in Indurain's time. It does seem they adjust the race for the riders going around at the time.
Then again, there's the Vuelta to look forward to.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby AndrewCowley » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:30 am
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby find_bruce » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:17 am
The longest time trials in Indurain's era were an individual TT in 1991 at 73km & a team TT in 1993 at 81 km. All the rest were in the range of 35 to 65 km. The real difference was the number - typically a prologue, 2 individual TTs and a team TT, which was one less individual TT than typically in the 80s.DavidS wrote:I hope you're right Warthog.
That time trial looks remarkably short. I was reading some comments on another website tonight about how long the TTs were in Indurain's time. It does seem they adjust the race for the riders going around at the time.
Then again, there's the Vuelta to look forward to.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby biker jk » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:33 am
I remember this one from the 1994 Tour de France. Indurain blasts past some slow coach.AndrewCowley wrote:The long TT's were by all reports rather boring. Before my time though. Anyone remember them? They seem like a novelty.
https://youtu.be/cGPGm38wt5g?t=2m56s
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby richbee » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:09 pm
Tomorrow Sallanche to Megeve. There's nothing really special about that hill, I spent a week in the area in 2003 and climbed from Sallanche to Megeve evry day at the end of a few longish rides up the various Col's off the Arve valley and didn't think it a challenge at all. If that’s where Quintana's targeted trying to out TT Froom I think he’s miscalculated ever so slightly and Froome may end up increasing his advantage.
I reckon the fireworks will start on Stage 19 with Movistar and Astana sending multiple attacks up the HC Montee de Bisanne to isolate Froome and then Quintana & Valverde having a two pronged effort up the final Cat 1 climb to St Gervais Mont Blanc.
Last chance saloon is Saturday. Col de la Colombiere is too early in the stage to cause a selection, and why it’s a Cat 1 climb I don’t know. It’s only 12km and rises a mere 600m in that distance with an average 5% grade. Col de la Ramaz on the other hand, one of the climbs I did during my week in Megeve. It’s a monster rising 960m from the valley floor at Mieussy to the summit 13km later with an average 7% grade and a couple of ramps of up to 18%. It’s Cat 1 status does not do it any justice. If Astana and Movistar have anything left, this is where they’ll have to use it to isolate Froome (there’s a theme in here somewhere) and then go for broke on the Joux Plane. I reckon Froome will pre-empt any attack on Joux Plane by attacking the decent after Ramaz and make Quintana use all his energy in the chase. It’s pretty technical decent down to the Route des Gets too and should be worthwhile staying up to watch.
Young rider competition should get interesting too. Meintjies is hovering just 3 minutes behind Yates and I think is looking good going into the Alps. Better than Yates who I thought looked to be just hanging onto the GC group on the second climb up Lacets du Grand Colombier. If Yates cracks in the Alps Meintjies will be there to pick up the pieces. Could be an interesting completion. In any event I see Meintjies leapfrogging van Garderen and Martin to grab a top 10 in Paris.
These next four days are going to be exciting.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby DG1984 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:16 pm
Slightly different to riding up for leisure vs TT'ing up it, I'd imagine.richbee wrote:
Tomorrow Sallanche to Megeve. There's nothing really special about that hill, I spent a week in the area in 2003 and climbed from Sallanche to Megeve evry day at the end of a few longish rides up the various Col's off the Arve valley and didn't think it a challenge at all.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby richbee » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:22 pm
Pre Strava Days, I'm sure I still hold all the KOM's up thereDG1984 wrote:Slightly different to riding up for leisure vs TT'ing up it, I'd imagine.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby DG1984 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:39 pm
What kind of motorbike were you riding?richbee wrote:Pre Strava Days, I'm sure I still hold all the KOM's up thereDG1984 wrote:Slightly different to riding up for leisure vs TT'ing up it, I'd imagine.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby Sharkey » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:33 pm
The last time the TDF went over the Col de Joux-Plane and finished in Morzine there was a rider who went on a solo breakaway for 120km, beat all the contenders by nearly 6 minutes and moved up to 3rd overall just 30 seconds off the lead.
That was stage 17 in 2006 and the rider's name was Floyd Landis. Given what has followed on from that it was a significant day in cycling.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby AndrewCowley » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:55 pm
Just a few "marginal gains" on show there.Sharkey wrote:That was stage 17 in 2006 and the rider's name was Floyd Landis.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby biker jk » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:28 pm
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby mikesbytes » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:42 pm
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:04 am
Yates has a future.
Froome looked knackered but grovelled back onto Ritchie.
Good on Astana for having a crack.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:16 am
All those buses perched on top like that.
nice bit of concreting.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby richbee » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:06 am
Impressive dam, impressive valley below, convenient place to park all the team busses.warthog1 wrote:How's that dam wall.
All those buses perched on top like that.
nice bit of concreting.
You might want to check out the Katse Dam in the Lesotho Highlands https://tracks4africa.co.za/media/users ... pacity.jpg.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby richbee » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:20 am
Interesting tactics by Astana, but they really needed help from Movistar to really put the Skytrain under pressure. As it was they just burnt themselves out and Aru was left isolated. Brave moves by Valverde and Martin, but there was never enough venom for their attacks to really be threatening. I don't think Sky pulled them back, I think they just didn't have the legs, specially the way both slipped off the back straight away.
Didn't think Froome looked that knackered, and it is an amazing stretch to suggest he grovelled back onto Porte's wheel. He closed the gap pretty quickly then just sat there and let Porte do the work. No win and no bonus seconds on offer so why do more.
Yates and Meintjies battle is still looking interesting. There were a few moments when I saw both of them grimly hanging on to the back of the group, but then with a finish line in sight they left all of the other GC contenders behind.
But, there was also a very deserving stage winner. Well done Ilnur Zakarin.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby richbee » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:30 am
I want to know the brands of beer and whisky he drank the night before that stageAndrewCowley wrote:Just a few "marginal gains" on show there.Sharkey wrote:That was stage 17 in 2006 and the rider's name was Floyd Landis.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby biker jk » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:42 am
Zakarin was caught doping in 2009 and served a two-year ban. Hardly a deserving winner.richbee wrote:
But, there was also a very deserving stage winner. Well done Ilnur Zakarin.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:57 am
Nice work. I'd have crashed
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby richbee » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:08 am
We base our observations on the performance on the day, not on something that happened seven years ago for which the punishment has been served.biker jk wrote: Zakarin was caught doping in 2009 and served a two-year ban. Hardly a deserving winner.
In the break all day, realised the danger of the Majka/Pantano attack, bridged over and then rode them both off his wheel. I say he deserved that win.
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Re: 2016 Tour de France
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:33 am
The evidence is there to see if you read back through the prior editions of tdf threads.
His interest is in doping or perceived doping, not racing.
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