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Postby AUbicycles » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:11 pm
And what do you think of the image I created for the review. I had in mind the vision which Armstrong has of himself... even now.
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Postby find_bruce » Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:15 am
Cycling News wrote:Menchov stripped of Tour de France results
Russian given ban through 2015 for biological passport violation
Russian Denis Menchov has been stripped of his results from the 2009, 2010 and 2012 Tours de France, with the UCI surreptitiously slipping the news into a summary of doping cases that was published on July 10.
Menchov finished second in the 2010 Tour de France behind Andy Schleck, after the disqualification of Alberto Contador.
Menchov, who retired suddenly on May 21, 2013 from the Katusha team, is a mere line item in a long list of cases that includes life bans to Lance Armstrong and Danilo Di Luca. He raced last on March 24, 2013, when he dropped out of the Volta a Cataluyna.
He is one of four riders banned for biological passport findings, but the cases of Leonardo Bertagnoli, Carlos Barredo and Leif Hoste were all announced publicly. There is no date listed for the adverse analytical finding, but Menchov's two-year ban ends on April 9, 2015.
Menchov was not stripped of his overall Giro d'Italia victory from 2009
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Postby AUbicycles » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:11 pm
"I only doped once... but didn't like the taste"
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:25 am
That's what Lewinski said.AUbicycles wrote:The saga continues....
"I only doped once... but didn't like the taste"
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Postby biker jk » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:33 pm
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tiernan ... -two-years
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Postby sogood » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:50 pm
And I thought Sky is completely clean.biker jk wrote:Team Sky's Tiernan-Locke banned for two years.
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby AndyRevill » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:57 pm
I'll save you having to read the articlesogood wrote:And I thought Sky is completely clean.
Team Sky today terminated Tiernan-Locke's contract with immediate effect. “Jonathan’s contract has been terminated today," team principal David Brailsford said in a press release.
“Whilst there have been no doubts about his time with us, his doping violation - from readings taken before he joined this team - means there’s no place for him in Team Sky.
“We’ve a well-known stance on anti-doping and our action is the inevitable outcome of a violation."
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Postby sogood » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:05 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:15 pm
Yep JTL was not a member of Sky at the time of the anomalies.
JTL's pre-Sky conti team (Endura) members were not part of or admitted to the bio-passport program, although Endura did offer to pay for their inclusion in the program.
JTL was effectively on loan to Sky from 2012, when he attended Sky training camps, had signed an intent to join, and when the Sky team supported him on the road during his Tour of Britain win, although technically not a member of Sky. Keep in mind Sky was going to benefit from JTL's UCI points once he was officially on the roster.
JTL rode for the Sky sponsored and Brailsford-run British Cycling road team at the 2012 World Championships. Brailsford also runs Team Sky.
None of which says Sky has anything to do with it, but their convenient ignorance is pretty ordinary if you ask me. They should have insisted a rider on a long term recruitment plan become part of the bio-passport program, or at least conduct some of their own testing. It's quite clear that riders signing non-doping clauses of contracts is pretty meaningless. Same deal with Impey.
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Postby macca33 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:57 pm
So many still getting popped - quite disappointing really, although not unexpected...
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Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:08 pm
Well there will continue to be those that fail the IQ test known as doping control.macca33 wrote:So many still getting popped - quite disappointing really, although not unexpected...
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Postby sogood » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:12 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby herzog » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:12 am
What cycling needs to do is adopt a policy used in swimming and athletics.sogood wrote:Yep. It certainly looks to be a case of teams happy to take the victory and points of "performing" riders and then quickly spit them out and denounce when the rider get caught. I agree with Alex, there really needs to be an advance period or bio-passport before official engagement.
Namely if one member of a relay team tests positive, the whole team is disqualified.
This is because the whole team benefitted from the performance enhanced member.
Similarly in the TDF, a team leader can benefit from a boosted team mate. It's even worse when the event includes a team time trial and the boosted member is part of that.
So - a positive during the race, whole team booted. If it's good enough for swimming and athletics, it's good enough for cycling.
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Postby RonK » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:29 am
You could add suspensions, demotions and bans for teams and team officials to that.herzog wrote:What cycling needs to do is adopt a policy used in swimming and athletics.sogood wrote:Yep. It certainly looks to be a case of teams happy to take the victory and points of "performing" riders and then quickly spit them out and denounce when the rider get caught. I agree with Alex, there really needs to be an advance period or bio-passport before official engagement.
Namely if one member of a relay team tests positive, the whole team is disqualified.
This is because the whole team benefitted from the performance enhanced member.
Similarly in the TDF, a team leader can benefit from a boosted team mate. It's even worse when the event includes a team time trial and the boosted member is part of that.
So - a positive during the race, whole team booted. If it's good enough for swimming and athletics, it's good enough for cycling.
This would mean the teams would have to use their medical facilities to prevent doping rather than to manage and conceal it.
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Postby biker jk » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:17 pm
He was Mr 60% and the UCI still never caught him. It was only his admission to EPO use otherwise we'd never have known. Still, I get your humour about the SLOW process.Alex Simmons/RST wrote:probably Riis
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Postby AUbicycles » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:09 pm
Professional cycling is a team sport - why not then penalise all team members if one member is caught doping. Simple penalties could be wiping all results for event (of all participating team members) during the doping period.
If you were clean and were penalised for someone else, you would be fuming. And this then makes doping a concern for the team. More serious penalities would be missing races - when the team is missing out on competition, it makes it harder.
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Postby herzog » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:50 pm
Pretty much what I was getting at 5 posts above.AUbicycles wrote:An idea out of the blue... and it has merit when you think about it. (don't know if it is new).
It's already the norm in team events in Athletics and Swimming (e.g. relays).
Should be the same in cycling.
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