toolonglegs wrote:cyclotaur wrote:It was easier for SOG in practical terms - he had
much less to hide than LA. Psychologically though, his relatively minor indiscretion probably weighed on him harder and certainly for longer than LA's massive fraud because he he didn't rationalise away his behaviour or try to spin others into his web. They have different personalities, I think.
But yes, a terrible situation, mostly for O'Grady.
He had everything to hide... if he had been caught he would have had a two year suspension... which would have cancelled out many of the things that came his way later.
Hypothetical speculation - we have no idea how things might have panned out if he been caught and suspended at the time.
toolonglegs wrote:You call it a minor discretion... you are already believing his lies. It is an obvious lie that he only used it in the lead up to the 1998 TDF ... EPO leaves your system fairly quickly... yet two weeks after the tour started he has a suspect result by 2004 standards.
Surely the fact it was only 'suspect' and not 'positive' somewhat corroborates, rather than invalidates, his version. If he'd continued to use EPO into the tour he'd have
tested positive. You say he's lying, but can't prove it. I'm taking him at his word for now, unless or until there is evidence to the contrary.
cyclotaur wrote:he didn't rationalise away his behaviour or try to spin others into his web
toolonglegs wrote:... thats not how I read the comments he made about other dopers being caught before him.
Difference of opinion then.
toolonglegs wrote:Then here he is... finishes this years TDF, retires just in time before the sh&T hits the fan... but guess what, he is probably pretty well off, nothing will get taken back... he cheated and prospered.
It makes no difference when he retired. The sh&t hits the fan eventually anyway - just ask Matt White and Stephen Hodge. And if he'd been caught and suspended at the time he might well have come back and done most of the same things anyway. There are plenty of current pro-tour riders doing just that, having served suspensions for offences far more recent than O'Grady's, and therefore arguably far more culpable than he was in 1998.
Anyway one certainty is that everyone has their own opinion and they're entitled to it, unless or until facts prove otherwise.