Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
- trailgumby
- Posts: 15469
- Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:30 pm
- Location: Northern Beaches, Sydney
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby trailgumby » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:17 pm
- AUbicycles
- Site Admin
- Posts: 15589
- Joined: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:14 am
- Location: Sydney & Frankfurt
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby AUbicycles » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:48 am
Unfortunately, instead of having a timeframe for Team Sky to provide a reason... it is open ended and Froome can compete... which is bad news for the sport. Better is that the reasonabke explanation is provided before the season begin and everyone has clarity.... what reason would a clean team have to delay?
The team is now gathering ‘experts’ to try and prove that the results ard part of an adverse reaction... but thus still doesn’t answer questions about Wiggins and the general team approach.
- trailgumby
- Posts: 15469
- Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:30 pm
- Location: Northern Beaches, Sydney
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby trailgumby » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:28 pm
Yes, that was a good piece.AUbicycles wrote:Thd Kimmage interview (podcast) is fairly good. After a slow start it really gets to the crunch that honest and open teams and riders would (should) be reacting differently.
- Mulger bill
- Super Mod
- Posts: 29060
- Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:41 pm
- Location: Sunbury Vic
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby Mulger bill » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:03 am
That sounds like a marginal gain to me...AUbicycles wrote:...
I found a number of studies about the effect of asthma drug Salbutamol and a number concluded that there were no significant effects. One study showed a possible 1.8 - 1.9% performance improvement for endurance cycling but it was inconclusive because of the uncertainty how much could actually be attributed.
London Boy 29/12/2011
- Alex Simmons/RST
- Expert
- Posts: 4997
- Joined: Fri May 02, 2008 3:51 pm
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:16 am
About half of the studies found an ergogenic impact, about half did not, and none except one part of one study noted a minor negative impact. Obviously the research covers a wide range of scenarios, athlete cohorts, dosages, test methodologies, performance criteria etc but the body of evidence suggests there most definitely is potential for egogenicity, which is why salbutamol is a specified prohibited substance under the WADA code.
- trailgumby
- Posts: 15469
- Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:30 pm
- Location: Northern Beaches, Sydney
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby trailgumby » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:44 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2753196
-
- Posts: 1703
- Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:08 pm
- Location: Brisbane
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby RobertL » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:57 am
Didn't Ben Johnson use that excuse waaaaay back in 1988?trailgumby wrote:Not cycling related, but "someone spiked my drink" might become the next excuse. Japanese kayaker given an 8 year suspension for spiking a rival's drink with an anabolic steroid. I have no idea how the deed was uncovered, but the perpetrator admitted doing it.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2753196
- find_bruce
- Moderator
- Posts: 10595
- Joined: Mon May 09, 2011 8:42 pm
- Location: Sydney
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby find_bruce » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:56 pm
Like most dopers his story changed over time, but as I recall he confessed to taking steroids for years, but claimed his positive test was because of a spiked drink because he had stopped taking steroids 6 weeks before the Olympics, & the steroids he was taking didn't include Stanozolol. Of course he also says he only did it because everyone else was taking drugsRobertL wrote:Didn't Ben Johnson use that excuse waaaaay back in 1988?
- Thoglette
- Posts: 6619
- Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:01 pm
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby Thoglette » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:42 pm
He makes some good arguments for the UCI to move, fast, to provide some clarity.Patrick Flecher wrote:"I'm sad. First of all, I'm sad," Lefevere told Cyclingnews .... "Because it's always cycling. Unfortunately, nobody speaks about 50 per cent of athletes being suspended in athletics, and if you speak about doping in football, it doesn't exist, never existed, and will never exist."
"People are worthy of respect, ideas are not." Peter Ellerton, UQ
-
- Posts: 6179
- Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:06 pm
- Location: Mill Park
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby fat and old » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:35 pm
Mapei from mid 90’s to early 2000’s. Back to Belgium with Domo (?) then hooked up again with Mapei to become Quick-Step incarnations. Yeah, I can see his anti-doping pedigree.
I honestly wonder how these people keep a straight face sometimes. They’d make excellent politicians. Or used car salesmen.
However, I agree it’s a solid argument. TBH, I’ve never seen so many riders/insiders so prepared to comment directly on a case as they have with Froomay. Have to wonder the whys and whatfors.
- trailgumby
- Posts: 15469
- Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:30 pm
- Location: Northern Beaches, Sydney
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby trailgumby » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:26 pm
There's been more than one instance where riders have been pinged for doping and the the substance found in the Adverse Analytical Finding was different from what they were using. Not sure if Floyd Landis was one of them?find_bruce wrote:Like most dopers his story changed over time, but as I recall he confessed to taking steroids for years, but claimed his positive test was because of a spiked drink because he had stopped taking steroids 6 weeks before the Olympics, & the steroids he was taking didn't include Stanozolol. Of course he also says he only did it because everyone else was taking drugsRobertL wrote:Didn't Ben Johnson use that excuse waaaaay back in 1988?
- biker jk
- Posts: 7009
- Joined: Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:18 pm
- Location: Sydney
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby biker jk » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:32 pm
UKAD's rebuke of British Cycling's medical practices, written in November 2017 after the inquiry concluded, noted that the medical room at the Manchester velodrome was "chaotic and disorganised" with no formal procedures for recording the purchase, use or disposal of medicines.
The agency also found that BC had no records of medicines or medical supply packages being sent from British Cycling to teams or athletes and indeed, no filing system at all - just "papers piled up in cupboards and filing cabinets".
Additionally, UKAD examined doping control forms and could find no corresponding records for the legal medicines that were being administered to athletes.
The lack of electronic medical records was a major concern, as was the lack of evidence that team doctors Freeman and Dr Steve Peters had adequate oversight.
As noted by the Parliamentary committee, the blending of BC and Team Sky staff was problematic. UKAD noted that medical supplies for one were at times paid for by the other.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ukad-sl ... rocedures/
-
- Posts: 6179
- Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:06 pm
- Location: Mill Park
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby fat and old » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:22 pm
I think Floyd was done for a high T/E ratio...too much test....but later when coming clean (?) claimed that he’d taken every ped and blood bags he could find except that.trailgumby wrote:There's been more than one instance where riders have been pinged for doping and the the substance found in the Adverse Analytical Finding was different from what they were using. Not sure if Floyd Landis was one of them?find_bruce wrote:Like most dopers his story changed over time, but as I recall he confessed to taking steroids for years, but claimed his positive test was because of a spiked drink because he had stopped taking steroids 6 weeks before the Olympics, & the steroids he was taking didn't include Stanozolol. Of course he also says he only did it because everyone else was taking drugsRobertL wrote:Didn't Ben Johnson use that excuse waaaaay back in 1988?
- find_bruce
- Moderator
- Posts: 10595
- Joined: Mon May 09, 2011 8:42 pm
- Location: Sydney
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby find_bruce » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:26 pm
The only people who buy that have been smoking some of what he is now sellingfat and old wrote:I think Floyd was done for a high T/E ratio...too much test....but later when coming clean (?) claimed that he’d taken every ped and blood bags he could find except that.
-
- Posts: 6179
- Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:06 pm
- Location: Mill Park
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby fat and old » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:36 pm
- AUbicycles
- Site Admin
- Posts: 15589
- Joined: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:14 am
- Location: Sydney & Frankfurt
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby AUbicycles » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:58 am
Write him (her) a letter... could be the start of something beautiful.
- MichaelB
- Posts: 14842
- Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:29 am
- Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby MichaelB » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:02 am
Straw, reaching, grab.
Oh, they can't repeat the conditions in the test, so grabbing anything that may be remotely plausible ....
Makes Berties 'contaminated steak' theory seem rock solid ......
Maybe, the high reading on a specific day was the result of simply taking (a) more than allowed, or (b) taking it the wrong way.
-
- Posts: 334
- Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:32 pm
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby Sharkey » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:39 am
-
- Posts: 6179
- Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:06 pm
- Location: Mill Park
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby fat and old » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:56 pm
I did.AUbicycles wrote:The Floyd Landis attraction is probably due to the chimeric twin.
Write him (her) a letter... could be the start of something beautiful.
No, they don't deliver to Australia. But I'll be the first with a Floyd's of Leadville TDF Yellow Jersey in Aus!!
BTW, the twin was Hamilton's idea.
- find_bruce
- Moderator
- Posts: 10595
- Joined: Mon May 09, 2011 8:42 pm
- Location: Sydney
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby find_bruce » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:27 pm
Remind me again was Floyd the dodgy steak, kissed a woman in a nightclub, erectile dysfunction, it was my mother's fault .. oh now I remember it was too many jack daniels.fat and old wrote:I did.AUbicycles wrote:The Floyd Landis attraction is probably due to the chimeric twin.
Write him (her) a letter... could be the start of something beautiful.
No, they don't deliver to Australia. But I'll be the first with a Floyd's of Leadville TDF Yellow Jersey in Aus!!
BTW, the twin was Hamilton's idea.
-
- Posts: 6179
- Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:06 pm
- Location: Mill Park
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby fat and old » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:12 pm
Hinault. Just plain refused to be tested.
Merckx: I was set up
Contador: I ate a Chinese steak
Armstrong: I had saddle sores
Henao: I’m Colombian, it’s normal.
Tiernan-Locke: I hit the booze
O’Grady: I didn’t inhale
Nibali: Who needs drugs? Just hold on and go!
Vino: Who needs drugs? Want 100 grand to go?
Almost everyone post 2011: I have asthma
Any more?
- AUbicycles
- Site Admin
- Posts: 15589
- Joined: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:14 am
- Location: Sydney & Frankfurt
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby AUbicycles » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:30 am
My training bike has leather bartape which is more comfortable. The steroids used in cattle were present in the leather and were activated by sweaty hands which then seeped into the blood.
-
- Posts: 1703
- Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:08 pm
- Location: Brisbane
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby RobertL » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:57 am
- trailgumby
- Posts: 15469
- Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:30 pm
- Location: Northern Beaches, Sydney
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby trailgumby » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:43 pm
Christopher!AUbicycles wrote:Write him (her) a letter... could be the start of something beautiful.
- AUbicycles
- Site Admin
- Posts: 15589
- Joined: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:14 am
- Location: Sydney & Frankfurt
- Contact:
Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Postby AUbicycles » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:20 pm
The next excuse.
I crashed and the doctor used a fresh bandage to cover my wound but as everyone knows, fresh bandages are always soaked in polymers which ensure that it remains sterile. However when in contact with blood it has a positive side-effect of changing the chemical structure to create an anti-bacterial barrier and to aide the healing process. However when the bandage is removed and the polymer comes into contact with the air, because the chemical structure has been changed after coming in contact with the blood, it reacts to the air as a gas - when that was accidentally inhaled while dressing the wounds it explains abnormal and unintended positive sample.
Return to “International and National Tours and Events”
- General Australian Cycling Topics
- Info / announcements
- Buying a bike / parts
- General Cycling Discussion
- The Bike Shed
- Cycling Health
- Cycling Safety and Advocacy
- Women's Cycling
- Bike & Gear Reviews
- Cycling Trade
- Stolen Bikes
- Bicycle FAQs
- The Market Place
- Member to Member Bike and Gear Sales
- Want to Buy, Group Buy, Swap
- My Bikes or Gear Elsewhere
- Serious Biking
- Audax / Randonneuring
- Retro biking
- Commuting
- MTB
- Recumbents
- Fixed Gear/ Single Speed
- Track
- Electric Bicycles
- Cyclocross and Gravel Grinding
- Dragsters / Lowriders / Cruisers
- Children's Bikes
- Cargo Bikes and Utility Cycling
- Road Racing
- Road Biking
- Training
- Time Trial
- Triathlon
- International and National Tours and Events
- Cycle Touring
- Touring Australia
- Touring Overseas
- Touring Bikes and Equipment
- Australia
- Western Australia
- New South Wales
- Queensland
- South Australia
- Victoria
- ACT
- Tasmania
- Northern Territory
- Country & Regional
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users
- All times are UTC+10:00
- Top
- Delete cookies
About the Australian Cycling Forums
The Australian Cycling Forums is a welcoming community where you can ask questions and talk about the type of bikes and cycling topics you like.
Bicycles Network Australia
Forum Information
Connect with BNA
This website uses affiliate links to retail platforms including ebay, amazon, proviz and ribble.