Re: Crapola!!!....P.E.D's in Cycling
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:39 pm
Why even bother asking .....twizzle wrote:So, brentono.... did you dope in your day?
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Why even bother asking .....twizzle wrote:So, brentono.... did you dope in your day?
MichaelB wrote:Why even bother asking .....twizzle wrote:So, brentono.... did you dope in your day?
Alcohol is not a prohibited substance in cycling.brentono wrote:Yes, alcohol, very common in my day. Mostly after competitons.
Still on the banned list, though I never found it to have any Performance Enhancing effects.
So that would be alright with you, (RUI=racing U.I.) then, Alex.Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Alcohol is not a prohibited substance in cycling.brentono wrote:Yes, alcohol, very common in my day. Mostly after competitons.
Still on the banned list, though I never found it to have any Performance Enhancing effects.
This ongoing putting of words in my mouth is getting rather tedious.brentono wrote:So that would be alright with you, (RUI=racing U.I.) then, Alex.Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Alcohol is not a prohibited substance in cycling.brentono wrote:Yes, alcohol, very common in my day. Mostly after competitons.
Still on the banned list, though I never found it to have any Performance Enhancing effects.
This ongoing putting of words in my mouth is getting rather tedious. And vise-versa.Alex Simmons/RST wrote:This ongoing putting of words in my mouth is getting rather tedious.
I was simply correcting a factual error in your post. Alcohol is only prohibited in certain sport during competition (e.g. motor sports). That does not mean it is to be condoned or encouraged for use when cycling or competing.
You seem to be "bent out of shape" over Cheats, but that takes many forms, and is not"Acknowledging the importance of rules in sports, which might include the prohibition of doping,
is, in itself, not problematic. However, a problem arises when the application of these rules
is beset with diminishing returns: escalating costs and questionable effectiveness."
This might be the case in Australia, but not in some countries, including some where I coach.brentono wrote:The main and most common related deaths, in recent days, is from EPO's.
And most youth would have no access to this proceedure.
So I still will agree with the school of thought, that at this early stage in their lives, teens,
may be better seved, by medical supervision, for any these types of performance enhancing practices.
Better than sneeking around in Alleys or Toilets, or Sports Changerooms, as they do, now.
And be properly educated, as to the reasons for not doing it.
It would be interesting to hear what countries outside Australia, with youngsters, that have EPO problems in Cycling.Alex Simmons/RST wrote: This might be the case in Australia, but not in some countries, including some where I coach.
It is a real problem. And guess who is propagating the problem? Former dope using elite cyclists who are advising and supplying the youngsters.
EPO is not an addictive substance, in the way heroin or amphetamines are. Accordingly the way in which we deal with it should not use the same techniques, IMO.
This review of doping within international sports is to inform
the international psychiatric community and addiction treatment professionals
of the historical basis of doping in sport and its spread to vulnerable athletic
and non-athletic populations.
HISTORICAL OVERVIEW OF DOPING
This brief overview suggests not only the historical and institutional nature of doping by athletes,
but also the international development of a clandestine and sophisticated distribution network
of black market doping programs that follows the modern sports industry.
Today performance-enhancing programs and drugs are not the exclusive province of elite athletes,
but have spread to health clubs, high schools and other at-risk populations,
creating an over $1.4 billion US dollar industry that is growing daily
as new compounds are synthesized and marketed
Human growth hormone (hGH and rhGH)
... Since hGH is a naturally-produced hormone and rhGH is similar in structure,
testing for doping with rhGH has been a technical challenge only recently solved
by WADA certified laboratories. Routine blood tests for hGH available
at clinical laboratories will not differentiate hGH from rhGH
and are of no value in determining if an adolescent or weekend athlete is doping.
... It is estimated that an eightweek performance enhancement regime of
pharmaceutical grade rhGH will cost about $2000,
well out of the range of an adolescent and the majority of weekend athletes.
Erythropoietin (EPO)
... EPO used for medical treatments can cost thousands of US dollars a month
and is administered by intravenous or subcutaneous injection.
... Over 300 tests were performed for EPO for the first time in Olympic history
(Sydney 2000) and no positives were reported.
This could be due to the fact that the technology for the test was new
and questions still existed about the assay.
Read this paper and become better informed.Accepting the magnitude of doping in at-risk populations and developing education,
prevention and treatment programs is the only way we can prevent the continuing spread
of the abuse of doping in sport and its spread into the most fragile groups in our society,
our youth and at-risk populations.
A medically-supervised doping programme isn't an answer. The quickest explanation would be the words "USSR weightlifter" or "Chinese swimmer".brentono wrote:So I still will agree with the school of thought, that at this early stage in their lives, teens,
may be better seved, by medical supervision, for any these types of performance enhancing practices.
Nice shot from the hip.gdt wrote:A medically-supervised doping programme isn't an answer. The quickest explanation would be the words "USSR weightlifter" or "Chinese swimmer".brentono wrote:So I still will agree with the school of thought, that at this early stage in their lives, teens,
may be better seved, by medical supervision, for any these types of performance enhancing practices.
Accepting the magnitude of doping in at-risk populations and developing education,
prevention and treatment programs is the only way we can prevent the continuing spread
of the abuse of doping in sport and its spread into the most fragile groups in our society,
our youth and at-risk populations.
the latter, i'd say. you can't test them if you don't know where they are - i believe this led to farcical situations before mandatory reporting by athletes.AUbicycles wrote:Perhaps someone else knows better.. but is the advantage of knowing the exact address where an athlete is (or will be) a way of checking against a black list... or to track an athlete for an unannounced test?
1, 2 and 3 August 2011
CAS 2011/A/2384 UCI v/ Alberto Contador Velasco & RFEC
CAS 2011/A/2386 WADA v/ Alberto Contador Velasco & RFEC
there's nothing for the journo to go through there. the biological passport is merely an analytical tool used by the UCI(/WADA?) a journo would only "experience" it if they were prosecuted for suspicious blood levels. for the journos i've known, that seems quite a possibility, but not for performance enhancing drugsbrentono wrote:ADAMS is part of the Systems, but next step would be for a Journo to go through the FULL Passport system, even more rigorous.
LatterAUbicycles wrote:The most tested journalist!
Perhaps someone else knows better.. but is the advantage of knowing the exact address where an athlete is (or will be) a way of checking against a black list... or to track an athlete for an unannounced test?
You're probably right, and if their profession held any standards these daysjules21 wrote:there's nothing for the journo to go through there. the biological passport is merely an analytical tool used by the UCI(/WADA?) a journo would only "experience" it if they were prosecuted for suspicious blood levels. for the journos i've known, that seems quite a possibility, but not for performance enhancing drugsbrentono wrote:ADAMS is part of the Systems, but next step would be for a Journo to go through the FULL Passport system, even more rigorous.
ABP methods with more stringent Haematological Module, has the ability in identifyingAthlete Biological Passport and ADAMS
Members will also be given a detailed insight into the Athlete Biological Passport (ABP),
its purpose as a successful means for effective targeting,
and the need for ABPs to be incorporated into ADAMS
(Anti-Doping Administration and Management System).
The ABP Program was approved by the WADA Foundation Board in 2009
and has shown to be a successful means of identifying possible anti-doping rules violations.
As such, WADA continues to advise its stakeholders on the requirements to establish ABP programs.
“We have seen how effective the ABP can be, and WADA will be encouraging
all its signatories to increase the number of blood tests included in their programs.
“Not only is it vital for ABPs, but there are prohibited substances
that can only be identified through blood testing.†Mr. Howman stated.
Hmmm.... isn't this just punishing the riders twice? Sounds like a work-around to try and lengthen (in effect) suspension periods.JV911 wrote:Riders returning from suspension won't count for teams
The UCI is on the brink of implementing new rules which will limit the sporting value of riders returning from doping suspension, it announced today.
The new anti-doping initiative will prevent teams from benefitting from hiring riders fresh off suspension - riders such as Alejandro Valverde - by not allowing those riders to accumulate points toward a team's sporting value for two years after their return to competition.
more: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-set ... initiative
and the problem is?twizzle wrote:Hmmm.... isn't this just punishing the riders twice? Sounds like a work-around to try and lengthen (in effect) suspension periods.
+1 from me.jules21 wrote:and the problem is?twizzle wrote:Hmmm.... isn't this just punishing the riders twice? Sounds like a work-around to try and lengthen (in effect) suspension periods.