Dauphine 2017 !!
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Dauphine 2017 !!
Postby MichaelB » Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:00 am
Will be interesting to see how the mountain stages pan out given the big guns that were there.
Had to laugh at some of the commentary about Nibali's brother's descending skills. He needs some coaching !!!
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Postby MichaelB » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:32 am
Pity Richie had the door closed a bit, but showed he is doing well. Hoping for a good Tour
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Postby cyclotaur » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:59 am
Ditto - great stage, and loving the times of the Dauphine stages, not having to stay awake 'til all hours to see the finish.MichaelB wrote:Great stage last night and great result.
Pity Richie had the door closed a bit, but showed he is doing well. Hoping for a good Tour
Also Froome underpassed Porte on the descent at about 80kph.
I guess he goes downhill fractionally faster than Porte but, wow, it seemed just a tad unnecessary/reckless at the time...
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Postby biker jk » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:20 pm
Yes, I had at giggle at that. So, a good opportunity to re-run the link below.find_bruce wrote:I liked Porte's response to questions about Froome holding his line for the sprint "I just asked him if he was looking at his stem"
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Postby MattyK » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:26 pm
One dumb question from me. I've heard commentators say (in multiple tour races) about how it's good for their team/GC rider to have someone in the breakaway. But tactically I'm not getting it. Can someone explain why it's a good thing?
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Postby MichaelB » Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:07 am
Interesting to see how the others are going and the psyche games that are now being played and wondering what they have to do.
Many of the key players were isolated pretty early on, but the ORS guys still had some good numbers for a while.
Hope that Richie wins this, but then has a good showing in the Tour as well. Good signs from some of the other BMC contingent to lead Richie fro as long as they did & Hermans did a great job.
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Postby madmacca » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:43 pm
In addition to the "We've got a rider in the break, so we're not chasing" excuse mentioned above, it can be useful if you have 2 major climbs separated by a long (20 km?) valley floor. Put a larger more powerful rider in the break, let your GC rider take it 30 seconds easier than his rivals up the first climb, have the rider in the break drop back on the descent of the 1st climb and do all the work chasing back on along the valley floor, and then your GC rider still has something in the tank for the final climb.MattyK wrote:Good race tonight.
One dumb question from me. I've heard commentators say (in multiple tour races) about how it's good for their team/GC rider to have someone in the breakaway. But tactically I'm not getting it. Can someone explain why it's a good thing?
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Postby AndrewCowley » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:21 pm
I suppose Porte has to be positive after beating Froome. But yet again he has suffered from one of his all too usual "bad days". Notwithstanding his form does look great, this is an ongoing weakness for him.
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Postby cyclotaur » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:35 am
Fulsang beat him by 10 seconds only, with the advantage of 14 more bonus seconds than Porte on the last two stages, and if Foome hadn't nearly put him into the barriers on the final sprint the previous day and he'd won the stage the diff would have only been 2 seconds at the end. OK he doesn't win the CdDauphine, but I still think he's in good form compared to the main contenders for le TdF. And I'm not sure that Fulsang is in that group.
It's a great event, the Dauphine.
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Postby madmacca » Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:56 am
I was pleased to see that Porte didn't panic, and held to his plan even when Froome accelerated with 1km to go on the 2nd last climb. This shows increased mental strength not weakness, and meant that Porte was able to take time on everyone in the final climb, with the exception of Fuglsang, whom he held.AndrewCowley wrote:Wow. No words. One of the best few days of racing I've seen.
I suppose Porte has to be positive after beating Froome. But yet again he has suffered from one of his all too usual "bad days". Notwithstanding his form does look great, this is an ongoing weakness for him.
The bigger concern was that Porte was isolated from his teammates so early, and meant that Porte had to do a lot of the work himself for a good part of the day. Although I note that with their two major sponsors (BMC and TagHeur) both being Swiss, BMC are also having to supply a strong team to the simultaneous Tour de Suisse (nice performances from Dennis and King in the ITT). Rival teams may have been able to target one race or the other.
I'll be interested to see BMC's team selection for the Tour, although with 2 potential stage winners (Dennis and GvA) as well as Porte, they are going to have to be very clear as to who is the protected rider.
Edit: Cyclotaur, you and I see it pretty much the same way. I had had also been thinking that the narrow space between Froome and the barriers cost him 8 seconds of time bonus.
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Postby MichaelB » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:26 pm
Nice to see Dan Martin get on the podium at expense of Froome.
Whilst he may have peaked too soon, the mental advantage that he has on others where he solidly beat them several days in a row must be good.
His ride last night reminded me of Cadel's in the 2011 TdF. Mentally and physically tough. Did the last climb a minute better than most of the others. Chapeau !!
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Postby cyclotaur » Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:44 pm
I think Porte and BMC would be very pleased with his ride on the last two days. Further I would think he rode to (training) plan to not chase on the second last climb and put in a solid finish on the final. Which he did very well. Sets him up very well, physically and mentally, for TdF.
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Postby AUbicycles » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:38 pm
Unfortunately I didn't get the coverage to see why Porte was so far behind so both live and on reply only gave me the end rather than highlights.
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Postby Sharkey » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:48 am
On the 2nd last climb Aru and Valverde attacked and got away. Then Martin, Fuglsang and Bardet attacked individually and also got a break. Porte was covering Froome as he was the main danger for the overall. When Contador attacked with a couple of others Porte then took up the chase with Froome sitting on his wheel. When Froome attacked towards the top Porte had nothing left and so he ended up well behind the others.AUbicycles wrote:Unfortunately I didn't get the coverage to see why Porte was so far behind so both live and on reply only gave me the end rather than highlights.
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Postby RonK » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:56 pm
Seems more like a tactical error to me, combined perhaps with an overly cautious descent, and certainly exposed his lack of support.
Fuglsang was always a greater threat than Contador and had already shown his form by winning stage 6 over the Mont du Chat. Porte should have covered him immediately rather than waiting until Bertie attacked.
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Postby Sharkey » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:48 pm
I guess if he had tried to follow Froome then he possibly would have had nothing left for the final climb.
And I don't think it was that Contador was seen as a danger, just at that point Richie realised there was a significant group getting away that he needed to chase.
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Postby RonK » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:36 pm
BMC have shown over and over that they don't have the tactical nouse to beat Sky and have failed repeatedly to support Porte as a team. Last year they didn't even send any riders back to help Porte when he crashed.
Froome and Contador won't peak until the middle of the TDF. On this performance I suspect Porte will be past his peak by then. Whatever, BMC will need smarter tactics to win.
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Postby find_bruce » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:50 pm
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Postby cyclotaur » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:45 am
So for Porte - First avoid trouble, second take support when it's available, third make your own calculations and decisions when unsupported and live with them.
If Porte rides consistently and goes with the big guns I think he can win, as long as there is no other 'bolt from the blue' rider/team.
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