2017 Tour de France
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby DavidS » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:46 pm
But back in 2013 when he had Porte go back to the team car to get food, within the last 10KM of the finish at the base of Alpe d'Huez, because he ran out of fuel, that should have been a much larger penalty because it very likely changed the outcome of the tour.
The inconsistencies abound, they have done so for years, and not just for French riders.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby RonK » Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:29 pm
With Landa now in contention, Aru (or any other maillot jaune pretender) and his weakened team will have to defend against two Sky riders, who will be able to hammer him with a one-two attack.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby AUbicycles » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:18 pm
Also good to see froome in the position of initiating attacks but the teamwork at times appeared slightly sketchy as if the were try to box Aru in.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby AUbicycles » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:55 am
Sweet victory for Michael Matthews... he finally got his stage win.
But with Froome back in Yellow... will the tour get boring again?
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby find_bruce » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:48 am
Bizarre way for GC contenders to lose 25 seconds
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby stevenaaus » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:00 pm
Three climbers within 30 seconds of Froome... the race isn't over. I still like him for his TT-ing, but it won't be a gimme.AUbicycles wrote:Sweet and Sour.
Sweet victory for Michael Matthews... he finally got his stage win.
But with Froome back in Yellow... will the tour get boring again?
Yeah, nice to see Matthews win the stage. He said in the interview that 4 (?) years ago he was targetting this same fininsh, but had crashed and had broken ribs, so very sweet to win it this year.
I see that the UCI rules regarding gaps are changing next year. But Aru still would have lost time.. Plenty of gaps in that finish.
http://inrng.com/2017/06/widening-the-gap/
New for the Tour de France: and the grand tours in 2018 that a group of riders will still be a group as long as riders are within three seconds of each other.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby Chuck » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:38 pm
When did the S in Thomas Voeckler's first name become silent ?
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby redsonic » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:02 pm
When Liggett and Sherwin stopped commentating?Chuck wrote:I feel like this thread has failed to address the biggest issue of the Tour thus far so I'm going to put it out there....
When did the S in Thomas Voeckler's first name become silent ?
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby Thoglette » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:37 pm
There, fixed it for you.stevenaaus wrote:Three climbers within 30 seconds of Team Froome.
The problem for the organisers remains that Sky have, once again, brought a team full of superdomestics, most who could be GC contenders in their own right in a few years.
The other teams have brought a GC contender.
So every night, pretty much the same story once the hangers-on have gone. The pelton is some big names plus half of Team Sky.
Until a team has the money to put a team as powerful as Sky together and lead it in a disciplined way, Sky will continue to dominate. Froome (or whoever) just needs to turn up. Sure, one needs to ride a decent ITT but Froome rarely has to do any work.
Now that's a backward step. What are they thinking?stevenaaus wrote:I see that the UCI rules regarding gaps are changing next year.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby DavidS » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:01 pm
What can be done, do we need another cashed up team to make it more interesting?
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby Thoglette » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:04 am
And then they just let him ride back up. Again. The only tut-tut was how long it took Landa to go rescue Froome.
It's one thing to drop the Yellow Jersey but they (both AG2R and the "contenders") didn't finish the job. Poor discipline or poor direction from their directors sportif
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby Calvin27 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:30 am
I'm interested in how the 'team' part of TdF came about. Anyone can shed light on this?DavidS wrote: What can be done, do we need another cashed up team to make it more interesting?
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby fat and old » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:05 am
Yet most if not all of them will never translate "contender" into "winner". Sky is quite good at taking excellent cyclists and turning them into useless (Uran, Boasson Hagen, even Cavendish to an extent)....even not so good into absolute machines (Portay, Froomay, Wiggins). The previously good seem to get back into the winning groove, the newly good seem to fall over. Anyone watching in the late 90's-early 2000"s will recognise this pattern.Thoglette wrote: The problem for the organisers remains that Sky have, once again, brought a team full of superdomestics, most who could be GC contenders in their own right in a few years.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby AUbicycles » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:23 pm
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby Derny Driver » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:35 pm
I am not a TDF expert. In fact I would much rather go to a six day race than the tour. Sixes are much more exciting.Calvin27 wrote:
I'm interested in how the 'team' part of TdF came about. Anyone can shed light on this?
Anyway I believe that originally the tour teams were trade based around bicycle manufacturers, and team mates were not allowed to pace each other. In about 1930 the teams became national teams, however the trade rivalries made it complicated when two trade teammates were on opposite teams. We see this happen in the modern Olympics where trade contracts seem to trump good old national pride. So I think in 1962 they reverted back to trade teams. The whole commercialism thing has been steadily ramping up since then with more and more money and sponsors being injected into it. Its really become a bit out of control really, when you look at Sky's money, or even the whole US Postal machine which just obliterates smaller budget teams.
I think the era of the national teams was pretty cool. Mind you France and Belgium had all the great champions in those days and Italy had Coppi who didnt need any help. The stories of the exploits of Ockers, Bobet, Coppi, Koblet, Anquetil etc make the current racing we see now look very boring indeed.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby MichaelB » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:07 am
Maybe they were going as hard as they could, the descent and long drag into the headwind was maybe a concern, only they really know, but at least they gave it a go.Thoglette wrote:Well, I thought AG2R was going to make me eat my words last night. An actual team attack which broke up team sky.
And then they just let him ride back up. Again. ...
I think that unless Froome has a major problem, he'll still win, but the closeness of the top 10 makes the next few stages REALLY interesting.
As much as I don't like Froome & Sky, if they win this one, then it's well deserved.
If Porte was still there, it would have been even better, but maybe next year. He knows what he needs to do, where he needs to be and that he can actually do it. Cadel did !!
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby vosadrian » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:24 am
Does anyone else think the contenders seem a bit half baked this year? I think it is a real shame Porte is out of it. I think he would have been in with a good chance... probably his best chance. Froome seems to be at a lower level than previous years, and the opposition seems to be less also. I expect Quintana will be a real threat next year and he clearly is not this year. No Nibali, Chavez not a contender. Valverde out. I doubt it will be so open next year with more riders choosing to learn from mistakes this year and focus on just the tour next year. I suspect Contador is out of the mix now and won't be a contender again, but I think Quintana would have run away with this year if he had not done the Giro.MichaelB wrote:Thoglette wrote:If Porte was still there, it would have been even better, but maybe next year. He knows what he needs to do, where he needs to be and that he can actually do it. Cadel did !!
I don't mind Froome doing well. I think he has done things to improve his general riding skills and animate the race more than previous. Sky have a tactic and it can make the racing less interesting, but the other teams have had opportunity they have not capitalised on. Sky have shown cracks and have not been punished. I don't know how Aru positioned so badly to lose the yellow. Surely his main aim should have been to stay near Froome at all costs. Seems like he wanted to lose it as he was way out of position well before things got tough.
For me the standout is Dan Martin (who has had the worst luck of the contenders but still in a great position)... closely followed by Uran who seems to be in his best form ever. Hopefully things get interesting, but I expect it is Froome's to lose, and he would deserve it if he did win it.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby MichaelB » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:40 am
Chaves - was hoping for at least a stage for him
Valverde - as much as I dislike him, he would have made a difference
Quintana - certainly cooked from Giro
Contador - not brilliant, but still a few stages to go
BMC - once Porte crashed out, can't seem to get anywhere
UAE, Bahrain, Cofidis - All pretty much MIA
Others that have done well :
Mollema - at least he's won a stage
Barguil - great KOM work & a stage win - on Bastille day no less !
Bardet & AG2R - trying hard, but will it be enough ?
Uran - quiet, and a good podium chance
Dan Martin - Chapeau. Great effort and trying every time he goes out. Deserves a podium at least
Aru - trying, at least has a stage win
Matthews - can he get Green ?
My dream podium from here would be Bardet to win, Martin & Uran to round out podium, Matthews in Green (somehow), Yates in White & Barguil to keep KoM.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby AUbicycles » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:36 pm
It's a hard race! But I think that team strategy significantly affects this. Team Sky has been spending a lot of time at the front so I wonder if we see more Team Sky riders fade and Froomey can no longer rely on the same support. Other teams AG2R, Quickstep and Astana can then step up and push their GC riders.vosadrian wrote:Does anyone else think the contenders seem a bit half baked this year?
In the last stage I wonder what led the four chase riders behind Mollema to be so non-commital. They had the power as a group to reach him in the final kilometers but were not working well together. I was wondering why the didn't each have their heads down and get a better formation going because at least they would have a 1/5 chance at a stage victory. Instead they appeared to playing games and missed out on a crucial opportunity.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
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Re: 2017 Tour de France
Postby MichaelB » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:04 am
Love to see him get it. Team has been great. Some sickness at Quickstep, so Kittel may be fragile in the Alps ?find_bruce wrote:Fantastic ride by Sunweb to distance Kittel & for Matthews to finish it off taking all 50 points on offer to bring himself close to green. It's a big ask, but should be interesting to see him try
Bugger for Dan Martin though !!
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