2017 Tour de France

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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby Philistine » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:29 pm

fat and old wrote:
rodneycc wrote:Devils advocate. Ok pick one... Froome, Wiggins, Cavendish. The English sure do grab onto anything they can, regardless of birth.

Think I'd take Froome....


There ya go :D


Last time I checked the Isle of Man was still a part of England. Cavendish is as English as soggy fish and chips wrapped in newspaper.

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Postby fat and old » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:23 pm

I think the term is a Crown Dependency. Not a sovereign state but self governing to a degree.

They have their own team in the Comm games, so that's it for me

But yeah, following your analogy he's warm beer. :lol:

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Postby rodneycc » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:57 pm

Don't mess with a Manxman.... :-)
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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby Thoglette » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:19 pm

rodneycc wrote:Don't mess with a Manxman.... :-)

Just look what they've done to their cat! :shock:
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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby find_bruce » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:15 pm

Philistine wrote:Last time I checked the Isle of Man was still a part of England. Cavendish is as English as soggy fish and chips wrapped in newspaper.
Just how old are you? The Isle of Man hasn't been part of England since at least 1765.

They have their own parliament & currency, they don't get to vote in UK elections, nor in the recent Brexit poll, principally because they are not even part of the European Union. As F&O says they are a crown dependency, where the crown is none other than Betty Windsor, or to give her the relevant title "Lord of Mann".

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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby fat and old » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:15 am

Back to Le Tour...

Hard luck story for me is a toss up...Valverde crashing out of what may have been his last chance at a TDF on the first stage...and De Gendt, for being shafted on the Super combative prize. Landa gets an honorable mention for thinking he was going to be the first one in 7 years of Sky tactics to get a chance.

If Porte ever completed a GT I'd have given him a nod. But he doesn't, so there's no hard luck. Just SOP.

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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby find_bruce » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:59 pm

fat and old wrote:Back to Le Tour...

Hard luck story for me is a toss up...Valverde crashing out of what may have been his last chance at a TDF on the first stage...and De Gendt, for being shafted on the Super combative prize. Landa gets an honorable mention for thinking he was going to be the first one in 7 years of Sky tactics to get a chance.

If Porte ever completed a GT I'd have given him a nod. But he doesn't, so there's no hard luck. Just SOP.
Bit harsh F&O - Porte has ridden in 11 GTs & finished 9 of them. Sure he has only twice finished in the top 10, but he usually finishes.

Landa cracks me up the way he is talking himself up as a GT winner, despite losing 1:41 to Froome in the 2 ITTs (stages 1 & 20). Its like the unintentional comedy gold of Andrew Talansky & others who never fail to promote their chances leading up to a GT before fading to miserable obscurity.

Got to agree with you that de Gendt was robbed though

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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby fat and old » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:41 pm

I knew I should have added "as leader" to the Porte comment. And I know he got a 5th last year....and a bust in the '14 Giro. He's a great super dom, and an even better one week man (maybe the best?) but needs to get the score on the board (at least a few more top 5's....hell, even useless TVG managed one!) .

Landa cracks me up the way he is talking himself up as a GT winner, despite losing 1:41 to Froome in the 2 ITTs (stages 1 & 20). Its like the unintentional comedy gold of Andrew Talansky & others who never fail to promote their chances leading up to a GT before fading to miserable obscurity.


True enough. :lol: He'll still have a shot at a Vuelta; possibly a Giro though. Depending on the team backing him.

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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby ForkinGreat » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:42 am

fat and old wrote:I knew I should have added "as leader" to the Porte comment. And I know he got a 5th last year....and a bust in the '14 Giro. He's a great super dom, and an even better one week man (maybe the best?) but needs to get the score on the board (at least a few more top 5's....hell, even useless TVG managed one!) .

Landa cracks me up the way he is talking himself up as a GT winner, despite losing 1:41 to Froome in the 2 ITTs (stages 1 & 20). Its like the unintentional comedy gold of Andrew Talansky & others who never fail to promote their chances leading up to a GT before fading to miserable obscurity.


True enough. :lol: He'll still have a shot at a Vuelta; possibly a Giro though. Depending on the team backing him.


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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby flex5150 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:05 am

Think some of you are a bit harsh on Porte. He would have been 2nd last year but for some !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! luck.
Anyway on a completely different topic. Can anyone tell me the bike Kittel was riding in the hills...and crashed out on. It wasnt a Venge or the new Tarmac that others were riding.
I kept seeing the bike on the telecast and its annoying the (AT)#$% out of me.

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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby biker jk » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:42 pm



He wasn't riding that bike when he crashed. It looked like the old rim-brake Tarmac to me but my eyesight isn't what it used to be.

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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby flex5150 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:16 pm

The seat stay met the top tube. But tt didn't look sloping enough for old tarmac. Poss roubaix?
But why would you ride that up a hill?
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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby RonK » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:38 pm

biker jk wrote:


He wasn't riding that bike when he crashed. It looked like the old rim-brake Tarmac to me but my eyesight isn't what it used to be.

This bike - whatever it is...according to this article it's the new tarmac.

Disc brakes at the Tour de France: a mechanic’s perspective

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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby biker jk » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:39 pm

RonK wrote:
biker jk wrote:


He wasn't riding that bike when he crashed. It looked like the old rim-brake Tarmac to me but my eyesight isn't what it used to be.

This bike - whatever it is...according to this article it's the new tarmac.

Disc brakes at the Tour de France: a mechanic’s perspective

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The bike in the photo is not the new Tarmac since the seat stays join the seat tube at the top tube junction. The new Tarmac has the seat stays joining the seat tube well below the top tube (like the Canyon Aeroad).

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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby flex5150 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:48 pm

My point.
And that's the photo I was referencing.
Rim brakes too.
Rebadged Felt F1?
Mystery continues....
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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby RonK » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:52 pm

biker jk wrote:
RonK wrote:
biker jk wrote:
He wasn't riding that bike when he crashed. It looked like the old rim-brake Tarmac to me but my eyesight isn't what it used to be.

This bike - whatever it is...according to this article it's the new tarmac.

Disc brakes at the Tour de France: a mechanic’s perspective

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The bike in the photo is not the new Tarmac since the seat stays join the seat tube at the top tube junction. The new Tarmac has the seat stays joining the seat tube well below the top tube (like the Canyon Aeroad).

Odd isn't - that bike has his TDF race number on it so presumably it's the one he started the stage on. But the gallery at the bottom of the linked page has the new Tarmac, also with his TDF race number on it. Counting the Venge that is three different bikes he rode the year.
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Re: 2017 Tour de France

Postby flex5150 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:58 pm

I noticed the number too. He rode that bike a LOT. I saw it in many non sprint finish stages

edit. 2015-16 Tarmac.. problem solved.
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