vosadrian wrote:find_bruce wrote:vosadrian wrote:I didn't read it before but I just did. It didn't find much sway with me.
Believe what you want to believe - my objection was to your attempt to label everyone who doesn't as hating Froome & childish.
My own perceptions are coloured by the fact that I have been watching grand tours since the early 90s. In that time every "miraculous recovery" was the result of using performance enhancing drugs. While Landis is the eminent example, Hamilton & his broken collarbone, every Tour in which Ulrich started out fresh but out of form & "rode" himself into contention, Vinokourov losing 3 minutes in stage 9 & recovering (via blood doping) to win the time trial & put himself back in contention.
To me the Giro was like watching a magic show - you don't know how the trick was done, but you do know all is not as it seems.
I like that magic trick analogy. I can see why you feel the way you feel. It is a reasonable view to have given the previous experiences. I personally am not convinced by the argument that there is no explanation so it can't be.
Does everyone here think that stage 19 was super human in the effort and that Froome was on another level compared to Dumoulin? If Dumoulin had known the way the tactics had played out and ridden the 80kms like he rides a TT with a measured effort rather than trying to work with others do you think the gap would have been less? Is a gain of 3 minutes over 80kms/2.5 hours really otherworldly unbelievable when it is common for good TT riders to pull several minutes over other top GC riders over 40k?
Anyway, we all believe what we believe. I am not a Froome fan boy. I actually liked all the contenders this year and would be happy for any of them to win. I was expecting a late comeback from Froome given his training method from the beginning of the Giro, but I hoped Yates would be up to the task. It is not that different to last year with the Dauphine/TDF last year where he rode into form. Some riders perform best as others fatigue. The two seasoned GT riders were on another level compared to anyone else in the last week.
I just love the Giro, and I thought it was a great race and am disappointed that people would write it off.
It was a superb performance by Froome on stage 19 and I don't doubt it's validity until evidence is shown to the contrary. But the same can't be said of stage 18 of last years Vuelta, we're still waiting and waiting (over 8 months!) on the outcome of his AAF, which has a material impact on whether his Giro title will stand. So did we watch a great victory, or something that will be assigned to the dustbin of history? And I don't just blame Sky/Froome for this situation. UCI should have the foresight to know what a mess their inept rules and procedures have led to.