Thanks for your inputMozzar wrote:IMHO the only advantage to tubeless is if you don't have 55gram tubes and would proberbly need more than about 40ml of fluid in the tyre. I wouldn't use tubeless for road, only for pure racing as if you get a sidewall pinch you won't be able to get the tyre inflated again and will need to use a tube.
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Postby RideLikeTheWind » Sat May 18, 2013 4:02 pm
I'm hoping I wont have too many issues with the setup - I am thinking about running a tube on the front regardless, as I rarely (if ever) get front wheel flats, so I would have a backup tyre for the rear if it gets totaled. I see how it goes... Ordering from Wiggle this week.
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby sblack » Mon May 20, 2013 8:34 pm
Doc Blue is rebadged Stans. Schwalbe have stated that in their press releases and it says produced by Stans or something similar to that on the bottle.eeksll wrote:Any one found any good informative reviews about the new Doc Blue sealant and how they compare to existing?
Well, I'm hoping I'm just unlucky. Haven't had much time on them yet, just a few short commutes, but they do roll very nicely. However, after riding through a section of roadworks with considerable debris I heard the sound of escaping air. Slowed to a stop and went to find the source but there was no chance of sealing this one. Here's a shot of it after fitting a $5 tyre boot and tube.Crawf wrote:Well, well, well?
I'm hoping it was just a case of riding over the wrong bit of debris and not a sign of the tyres durability. The light scratches on the rim directly in line with the cut seam to be a good indication that the debris was not too friendly. Now I am contemplating the best way to repair the tyre if it is possible. I should note that compared to getting a similar cut on a tubed tyre in the past, which resulted in an instant flat tyre, the tubeless tyre with sealant may not have prevented the flat but it did slow the deflation enough for me to have time to safely pull of the road, stop and dismount before becoming too flat to ride on.
So I didn't get a chance for any real test ride which is quite a disappointment as my only real review of any value would be to the fitting process. The tyres where fitted to American Classic Argent rims and since I had it handy I went straight for the compressed air rather than bothering with a track pump. First part of the process and it was time to try out the Easy Fit supplied with the kit. Easy Fit seams like a bottle of soap suds with an applicator similar to scuff stuff shoe polish. No major breakthrough compared to using soapy water but it is convenient and mess free. It also evaporates away more quickly than when I've used a soapy water mix but that could just be because the more controlled application means there's less there in the first place. In any case it does the job it's supposed to and because so little is used there will be enough in the bottle to last for many sets of tyres.
The tyre goes onto the rim much easier than the Fusion 3s did. Even refitting the used and stretched Fusion 3 after the sidewall cut incident proved significantly more difficult at fitting than the brand new Ultremo had.
Inflating the tyre and as expected with the compressed air their is no issue gaining a seal and quickly coming up to pressure. However the distinctive sound of the bead popping into place is absent and even as the pressure climbs well above where this should occur and the maximum recommended pressure before I decide it's not going to happen. The bead appears even and properly seated the whole way round the tyre though. Letting all the pressure out and the sound of it popping back of the bead is apparent as the last bit of air comes out. I add the sealant and inflate again. This time more slowly and note a very quiet quiet pop of the tyre bead popping over the last bit of the bead barb on the rim. No wonder I hadn't heard it before. While a GP4000 and a Fusion 3 produce notably different sounds to each other when popping into place they are both reasonably loud while the Ultremo struggles to be heard over the air rushing from my tank to fill the tyre.
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby Cruiserman » Mon May 20, 2013 9:23 pm
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby Crawf » Tue May 21, 2013 11:50 am
My 28mm are on the way
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby Crawf » Tue May 28, 2013 9:13 am
If they were on an A23 or similar widish rim then they would probably be right on 28mm wide, but my rim is the reducing factor here.
They roll extremely well, haven't noticed the weight difference and the improved comfort & handling is great. I cant see myself buying atoms/fusions/intensives again. I'm very tempted to put these on the race wheelset.
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby Blakeylonger » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:13 pm
best "road" tyre, but 28s are often hard to come by:
http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;n ... duct=62612" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby Thoglette » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:02 pm
Seems Wiggle have moved on to The Next Big Thing alreadyYouAgainstMe wrote: They seem to be rare as hens teeth on th likes of wiggle theses days? ... Do ppl think they are already on their way out?
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby ianK » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:18 pm
http://www.bikebug.com/schwalbe-one-tub ... 36991.html
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby cancan64 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:18 pm
the problem there is that the valve extenders that I have found are not threaded so you cant fit a lock nut to seal the valve...Duck! wrote:Most (but not all) tubeless valves have removeable cores; get a pair of these & fit a regular extension that you then screw the valve into.
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby CoffsGal » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:34 pm
When I last looked, the Conti valve extenders weren't threaded, but maybe that has changed.jcjordan wrote:Continental Val's are also threaded
The Stan's extenders can be bought direct from Stan's but the freight is a killerCrawf wrote:You need to get the Stans valve extensions which are externally threaded.
Jet Black also have the Stan's extenders (unknown price)
Cycling Express also have the Stan's extenders ($24.90)
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby ianK » Sat May 02, 2015 7:43 pm
As I was only a couple of k from home I just jumped on and rode home slowly. Had I been further from home, I probably would have waited a little longer and then pumped the tire up.
All in all the tubeless did what it was supposed to - the hole self sealed (Bontrager sealant) and the bike was still rideable.
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby cancan64 » Mon May 04, 2015 12:46 pm
A tube is back in there now
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Postby PiratePete » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:43 pm
I found that the new (Tubeless) version of the Supreme's mounted easier than the non-tubeless and with two layers of Stans tape the solution was airtight without sealant (inflated to 100psi and left for 90 minutes, result front 99 and rear 100 psi). But given that I mentioned no punctures in 13000km, I've added 60ml of Stans goop in each just in case. A little confused as to how much goop is needed, Schwalbe says 30ml, Stans suggests 60ml minimum. I guess the more that's in there means that more can spray out while sealing a puncture, thus is more likely to work, but adds more weight...
I use 700x35 tyres on my Specialized Diverge, I've set the tyres to 58f/68r which is what I ran the tubed version of the same tyre at. I've only ridden around the block at this stage and it feels more compliant, but also feels harder in places. Difficult to explain but quite different to before. Tomorrow is the real test, I will hopefully be able to knock off a century ride on roads I'm very familiar and get a better understanding of the differences.
Overall so far the process has been easier than many have suggested, and I'm glad that my tyre/rim combo is airtight without needing sealant, quite a bit different to much of the googled results have suggested. This hopefully leaves the goop as a backup rather than as a mandatory item for the tyres to hold air.
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Re: Tubeless tyre system for road bikes
Postby Duck! » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:33 pm
For road tyres 30ml is ample; the quoted 60ml is coming from Stan's original MTB target. If you're using wider road tyres, shoot the middle ground & chuck about 45ml in next time.
Useless trivia: Schwalbe Doc Blue and Stan's sealant are exactly the same stuff - the fine print on the Schwalbe labels says "made by Stan's".
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Postby PiratePete » Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:05 pm
Yes, I had read that, hence the confusion, why should 30ml of Doc Blue be adequate when Stan's needs more than double?? A sales pitch perhaps? I went with 60ml figuring that more goop is more likely to result in the puncture being plugged.Duck! wrote:Useless trivia: Schwalbe Doc Blue and Stan's sealant are exactly the same stuff - the fine print on the Schwalbe labels says "made by Stan's".
The other observation is that the Stan's tape says one roll is enough for four 700/29'er rims. I've done two and I wouldn't start a third with whats left. I can only assume that your good for 4 if only doing one layer, but they say to do two. That's one to remember if your ordering supplies to do more than one set of rims... The 25mm tape was perfect for my rims with a 21mm internal width.
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