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DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby RobRollin » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:07 pm

I took off my DT Swiss wheels to put on my TT wheels. When we removed the cassette the free hub had been chewed into. Now I looked at the free hub and its been trashed. Google this problem and seems to be a known problem with DT Swiss 240 freehubs.

Check out the photo. What I am looking for is, I am sure that I can purchase the free hub separately, just want confirmation.

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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby Uncle Grumpy » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:44 pm

That freehub body looks nothing like the one in my DTSwiss 240 hubs.

Anyway, it's not trashed. The freehub mechanism still works, right? The only problem is the steel carrier on the cassette has chewed into the splines which are a softer alloy. You're producing too much torque.

Not sure off the top of my head if you can buy the freehub as a replacement. I could google it, but it's not my project. Ring the distributor, Dirt Works, on (02) 9679 8400, they'll sort you out with the good info.

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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby MichaelB » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:54 am

You should be able to buy a replacement freehub, but given the price of these hubs and the reported distance covered (2,500km if I am right ?), it's pretty poor quality.

I have a similar issue on my $100 hubset (Miche Racing Box from Wiggle) that I used for my
handbuilt wheels, but I'm 94kg and have covered 2,700km, but the damage is not as severe.

I can get a replacement freehub for 30 pounds + shipping, so will live with it until it's a major issue, but my hubs are cheapies. The DT ones are not.

I'll be watching with interest to see the outcome.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby Dave R32 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:45 am

Guys,

What you see there is very normal for a 8,9 or 10 speed compatible alloy free hub running a 10 Speed cassette. The splines on the 10 spd cassette are deeper which allows the cassette to move and chew into the softer alloy of the free hub.

I have seen pics and a write up on another forum of some small steel pieces which can be fitted when assembling the cassette onto the freehub and stops this from occuring. I believe they are made by American Classic, however the AC website wont work for me this morning. I will also ask the guy on the other forum for permission to post his pics here and let you know.

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PS: The freehub on my Token wheels has done the same.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby MichaelB » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:49 am

Dave R32 wrote:......

I have seen pics and a write up on another forum of some small steel pieces which can be fitted when assembling the cassette onto the freehub and stops this from occuring. I believe they are made by American Classic, however the AC website wont work for me this morning. I will also ask the guy on the other forum for permission to post his pics here and let you know.
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When you find the link, can you let me know please ?

I thought I had read about this somewhere before but couldn't remember where/what

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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby RobRollin » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:53 pm

And here we go!!! Dave and Michael

The part number and description:
AMCBCKA/C CASSETTE BODY CLIPS & SHIMS - 10 SPEED KIT available from Cassons






I rang Trek and the advised me that they have replacement free hubs. It is a Cycleops free hub.

Looks like I will be buying,

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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby toolonglegs » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:57 pm

RobRollin wrote:I rang Trek and the advised me that they have replacement free hubs. It is a Cycleops free hub.

Looks like I will be buying,

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Yup they won't fair any better...I have gone thru 4 in 11,000km.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby toolonglegs » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:01 pm

PS..why are you ringing TREK? ($$$)...is it warranty?...if not ring Dirt Works.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby RobRollin » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:03 pm

Dirt Works don't handle Cycleops anymore, as I was told I was told to ring Trek. I will have to find my paper work, I might be able to get this on warranty.


On another note.....my Gravity Zero wheels, rode them for the first time last Saturday in a TT, same thing is happening.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby toolonglegs » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:06 pm

RobRollin wrote:Dirt Works don't handle Cycleops anymore, as I was told I was told to ring Trek. I will have to find my paper work, I might be able to get this on warranty.

Ok I am confused...this isn't a Powertap hub?...why are you getting a Cycleops freehub body for a DT Swiss hub?.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby RobRollin » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:11 pm

It isn't a DT Swiss hub, it's a Cycleops free hub. I wasn't sure what sort of hub it was until today and doing some research and talking to Trek and Dirtworks. Then a Google search and I found replacement Cycleops hubs. It's built on a DT Swiss 1.2 wheel.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby toolonglegs » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:19 pm

So DT Swiss hubs use Cycloeps free hubs as standard :shock: ..well there you go.Knowing what Trek charge for Powertap parts in Oz I hope they don't sting you to much...either that or grab one from cyclepowermeters.com.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby RobRollin » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:21 pm

I can purchase the 2010 CycleOps Power Tap Pro+ and SL+ Freehub Body for $70US. Not too bad. LBS will install for me.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby Dave R32 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:03 pm

Here are the pics of the courtesy of "Bill" on roadgrime.com.au. His freehub is a DT240.

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And links to the pdf's on how to use them. Note there are different clips for different cassettes.

http://www.amclassic.com/documents/help/web10_SpeedUltegra.pdf

http://www.amclassic.com/documents/help/web10_SpeedDuraAce.pdf

Hope this helps.


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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby MichaelB » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:59 am

RobRollin wrote:And here we go!!! Dave and Michael

The part number and description:
AMCBCKA/C CASSETTE BODY CLIPS & SHIMS - 10 SPEED KIT available from Cassons


Fired off an email re P&A, as no pricing given on their page :roll:

Many thanks Rob and DaveR32. :D :D

Will grab a set ASAP, either from Casson's or somewhere else. I'll report back when there is some info back from Cassons
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby alex » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:53 am

a one piece cassette like a sram red will solve this problem also
if i get killed while out on my bike i dont want a 'memorial ride' by random punters i have never met.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby MichaelB » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:56 am

alex wrote:a one piece cassette like a sram red will solve this problem also


Not necessarily. The Red cassette have only 2 contact points - one at either end, and the inner end (the ironically red coloured plate) is not real thick either.

Also probably costs a lot more :shock:
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby twizzle » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:57 am

I've got about 10,000km on my PT freehub and it doesn't have a mark on it - but it's the steel freehub, not the alloy.

Unless you are a daft weight-weenie, buy a steel hubs in preference to the alloy every time.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby alex » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:21 pm

MichaelB wrote:
alex wrote:a one piece cassette like a sram red will solve this problem also


Not necessarily. The Red cassette have only 2 contact points - one at either end, and the inner end (the ironically red coloured plate) is not real thick either.

Also probably costs a lot more :shock:


from 1st hand experience, the sram red cassettes do actually solve the problem
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby RobRollin » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:50 pm

Spoke with Rick at Trek who handles all CycleOps inquiries. I was informed that it is a know problem because of the splines on the free body and the cassette. I have emailed them photos. Asked about if its covered under warranty. Not sure if it is. I guess they will get back to me once they have seen the photos. I think the kit from cassons would stop this from happening. I might order a kit myself.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby MichaelB » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:22 pm

RobRollin wrote:And here we go!!! Dave and Michael

The part number and description:
AMCBCKA/C CASSETTE BODY CLIPS & SHIMS - 10 SPEED KIT available from Cassons
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Just got a call from Casson's.

They don't sell to the public, hence you have to order it through the LBS (and they get it from Casson's).

There is no RRP, but the guy said that you should expect to pay around the $25 mark for the kit of tabs.

So, time to visit the LBS. Just use the code AMCBCK

And Rob, this may mean that you won't have to bother with the replacing of the freehub.

Here is a pic of my freehub damage (Miche Racing Box - 2,500km old)

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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby alchemist » Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:24 pm

toolonglegs wrote:So DT Swiss hubs use Cycloeps free hubs as standard :shock: ..well there you go.


No. It's not a DT Swiss hub at all, just uses a DT Swiss Rim (and maybe spokes).

The rather than using pawls like the freehub pictured DT Swiss hubs use their "Star Ratchet" mechanism, where there are two cogs with ramps on the two adjacent faces.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby brycerider » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:54 pm

All freehub bodies made of alloy and engineered as 9/10 speed compatible have these bite marks. All mine certainly do - the avatar is a Reynolds one. Once you get the cassette off (which usually requires tools) just file off the burrs and its fine to us. Its all part of the weightweenie mentality.
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby MichaelB » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:34 am

Ordered the AC clips from the LBS through Casson's.

Finally came in today (took just over a week). :roll:

Total cost $18. :P
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Re: DT Swiss 240 Free Hub trashed

Postby rustychisel » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:52 am

those AC clips would be quite heavy wouldn't they Michael, being steel? :twisted:
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