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Postby Kalgrm » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:05 pm

Hmm, I just put an order in for a set of XT disc hubs with the intention of making those 700c wheels. Deep-Vs are my rim of choice at the moment. Yellow? Maybe not ....

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Postby Hotdog » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:16 pm

Kalgrm wrote:Hmm, I just put an order in for a set of XT disc hubs with the intention of making those 700c wheels. Deep-Vs are my rim of choice at the moment. Yellow? Maybe not ....

For the Giro 26? Cool, let me know how you find them. Black rims for you then? (For a '07 Giro it's got to be either black or yellow in my opinion)
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Postby Kalgrm » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:21 pm

Yep, black it will be and for the Giro. As you note, the bike's already unusual enough - no need for hot pink rims .....

I'll let you know what I think of the 700c wheels, but don't hold your breath - it could be January before I get around to making them up.

Now, back to the scheduled program: Richard, what was wrong with electric blue rims? ;)

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Postby europa » Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:48 pm

Kalgrm wrote:Now, back to the scheduled program: Richard, what was wrong with electric blue rims? ;)

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Postby Kalgrm » Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:03 pm

Ooh, I got a rise there. Raw nerve? ;)
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Postby europa » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:25 pm

And now I'm really grumpy. I started lacing the front wheel ... and one spoke in the pack is a cm short :? Shops are shut of course.

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Postby heavymetal » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:31 pm

europa wrote:And now I'm really grumpy. I started lacing the front wheel ... and one spoke in the pack is a cm short :? Shops are shut of course.

Richard


Just stretch it, :D It's made of steel isn't it?

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Postby europa » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:16 pm

Well, no-one bid on the Trek. If someone was sitting back waiting for me to relist it at a bargain price (it already was), he's in for a disappointment.

So, tomorrow or the next day or the day after that or sometime in the not so distance universe, I pull the Trek apart and put the bits on the Jamis.

Don't need a frame and wheels do you Kev?

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Postby europa » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:43 pm

The wheel building has begun.

Ready to start. As mentioned above, I started with the front wheel because that's the 'easy' build

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First spokes going in - all trailing spokes

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First side trailing spokes laced

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Flip the wheel and fit the trailing spokes on the other side

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It was soon after this that I encountered the short spoke, so the rest of the photos are of the rear wheel.

And here she is, all spokes installed and sitting in the truing stand for the first time. It's not overly obvious, but none of the spokes have any tension in them and some are very, very curved.

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Thus began the long (when you do it the way I do it) task of tensioning up the spokes, setting the hub in the middle of the rim, getting the rim flat and getting the wheel in the centre of the hub. I fiddled and farted and took a break and had another play and eventually, she was nicely trued. Not perfect but everything less than a mm.

Rim tape and tyre fitted and a wheel is born. Man those rims look deep :D

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Tomorrow, I get the last spoke and have a go at the front wheel ... again.

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Postby LuckyPierre » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:48 pm

Look at all those spokes - it must weigh a ton! :wink:
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Postby steelcowboy » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:06 pm

Very nice! I love the Deep Vs. I'm going to pick up a white machined set of those methinks.
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Postby europa » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:10 pm

LuckyPierre wrote:Look at all those spokes - it must weigh a ton! :wink:


You're just jealous coz I got more'n you :D

Actually, I didn't have much of a decision to make. I wanted Ultegra hubs. Chain Reaction were miles and away the best price. They only had them in 36 spokes ... which suited me because that's the way I was leaning, that or 32.

That wheel feels very strong. I reckon that if I ever T-bone a car I'll cut it in half :shock: With the rim and tyre being so deep though, I wonder how it'll handle in a cross wind.

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Postby Birdman » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:20 am

That is one beautiful piece of work (thank god you didn't get the pink :D ).

How long did it take you minus the fart ar5ing around?

It is kind of hard to tell that they are Deep-V's. I thought they usually had the decal around the rim. They look a tad wierd in plain silver/chrome/metal.

But still very nice.

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Postby europa » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:36 am

Birdman wrote:How long did it take you minus the fart ar5ing around?


It took me all evening, but that's because I was just taking it quietly, sitting back and having a think, running away to hide from time to time. It's a pleasant way to spend an evening actually. No way would I want to do this as a job, it'd take all the fun out of it.

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Postby Birdman » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:49 am

europa wrote:No way would I want to do this as a job, it'd take all the fun out of it.

Richard


Well thats the main thing. That you had fun.

Now go do it another 100 times for all your "friends" :twisted:

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Postby MichaelB » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:53 am

Well done there Richard - makes me wonder why I didn't go for the Deep V's as well.

Oh, that's right - the cheap Fixie would end up cosing more than buying a new completely finished jobbie .....

I'll get around to picking up my wheels, dropping off your money, and bringing up the spares that I have for you as well

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Postby Dave A » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:39 pm

Hi Richard,

Sorry for being a lazy bastard, and not sifting throught this thread for the answer, as im sure its here somewhere, but how much has this set of wheels cost you all up, minus the tyres, tubes, rim tape, and all the hardware ?
Just curious like.

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Postby europa » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:37 pm

Dave A wrote:Hi Richard,

Sorry for being a lazy bastard, and not sifting throught this thread for the answer, as im sure its here somewhere, but how much has this set of wheels cost you all up, minus the tyres, tubes, rim tape, and all the hardware ?
Just curious like.

Dave


Rims - $110 from BJ's (minus my discount :wink: )
Hubs - $150 including postage from ChainReaction (Ultegra hubs)
Spokes - $1 a spoke from BJ's

I know you didn't ask, but from BJ's
2 x Detonator 28mm tyres - $65
2 x Michelin tubes (I like these) - $17
2 x Zefal rim tape - $10.40

Yes, it adds up doesn't it. We think of rims and hubs, not realising that it's the rest of the gear that does the financial damage.

Incidentally, those hubs cost less than a pair of good quality, sealed cartridge hubs (similar to the ones Velocity use in their wheelsets) from BJs and this is a case where I believe that rebuildable is better and certainly, the Ultegra is a good, sound hub (and very smooth :D)

A set of DeepV road wheels, built by Velocity, cost $550 from BJs. I've seen them less elsewhere though not a lot.

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Postby europa » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:34 pm

The front wheel's finished :D
Once again, everything seemed to fall into place nicely though it took forever to remove a low spot in the rim near the Velocity sticker. Once that was done and the tension done up, the remaining sideways wiggles capitulated with little more than a token struggle and centralising it was never an issue :D

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Postby Kalgrm » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:52 pm

So BOTH rims cost you $110? That's very good. I thought you spent that per rim. If that's how little they cost, I guess my new wheels are that much closer! Yippee!
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Postby europa » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:16 pm

europa wrote:Rims - $110 from BJ's (minus my discount :wink: )


Rims - $110 EACH

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Postby Kalgrm » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:36 pm

Pedant's Club? Sure it isn't a Pedant's Society?

My wife reckons I'm pedantic. I say "On the contrary - I'm a perfectionist!" :)

Anyway, I wouldn't join your club. It wouldn't measure up to my exacting standards ..... :wink:
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Postby Mulger bill » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:52 pm

Wasn't that apostrophe incorrectly placed anyway?

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Postby Kalgrm » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:54 pm

No - he's the only person in his club, so the singular is correct.

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Postby europa » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:28 pm

Kalgrm wrote:No - he's the only person in his club, so the singular is correct.

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Of course. I'm glad you recognise my superiority ... oh rats, there's no 'god like' smiley :D

Bugger off you two :D

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