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Postby Dave A » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:48 am

europa wrote:Rims - $110 EACH

Thanks Richard, I assume that $150 each for the hubs too ?
So thats just over $300 per wheel then. Nice.

I'm sooooo looking forward to riding this bike

Feel free to ride her down my way mate, when you get the chance, id love to see her.
I'll have to Turtle Wax the Felt though, id dont want to get shown up too much if we go for a ride :D
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Postby europa » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:57 am

Dave A wrote:Thanks Richard, I assume that $150 each for the hubs too ?


If you're buying from a lbs you might pay that much. I paid $150 for BOTH of them :D

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Postby europa » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:30 pm

Latest trip to the shop - cables, cable ends, some brake pads and a seat post with a fair bit of set back the finding of which surprised both myself and the salesman.

I also picked up a Topeak Super Tourist rack. This is the one with the big spring lever on top. A bit old fashioned I know but there've been the occasional times when that would have been useful. I'll put up photos when I take them. It's got a neat track system on the top plate where, if you buy the right bag, it just slides up these tracks and locks in place. Might be handy but I'm not getting one just yet.

So, out to the shed with the Trek and start pulling her down :D

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Postby MichaelB » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:47 pm

europa wrote:Latest trip to the shop - cables, cable ends, some brake pads and a seat post with a fair bit of set back the finding of which surprised both myself and the salesman.

I also picked up a Topeak Super Tourist rack. This is the one with the big spring lever on top. A bit old fashioned I know but there've been the occasional times when that would have been useful. I'll put up photos when I take them. It's got a neat track system on the top plate where, if you buy the right bag, it just slides up these tracks and locks in place. Might be handy but I'm not getting one just yet.

So, out to the shed with the Trek and start pulling her down :D

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See what happens when you go down to the shops !!
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Postby europa » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:54 pm

I didn't buy the workshop stand so I was VERY good.

Nah, I needed all the bits. The carrier won't get used a lot but it's darned useful when it does and the one on the Trek was always crappy as well as having a bent stay (had a pannier jump ship and get jammed between the rack and the wheel :shock: ).

This had better be the last of the outlays.

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Postby MichaelB » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:10 pm

I'll have some money fro you tonight to help :D
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Postby Kalgrm » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:11 pm

europa wrote:
Dave A wrote:Thanks Richard, I assume that $150 each for the hubs too ?


If you're buying from a lbs you might pay that much. I paid $150 for BOTH of them :D

Richard

Okay, so now I'm confused again. :cry: Can you tell us the total cost for the wheelset again? No itemising - just the bottom line.

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Postby europa » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:29 pm

Kalgrm wrote:
europa wrote:
Dave A wrote:Thanks Richard, I assume that $150 each for the hubs too ?


If you're buying from a lbs you might pay that much. I paid $150 for BOTH of them :D

Richard

Okay, so now I'm confused again. :cry: Can you tell us the total cost for the wheelset again? No itemising - just the bottom line.

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Cripes you lot :D

Wheelset - Velocity DeepV rims, Ultegra 6500 hubs, spokes and nipples - $410.

A Velocity wheelset from the same shop (DeepV rims, velocity sealed bearing hubs and built by the factory) is $550.

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Postby thomas_cho » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:34 pm

Hahah the maths is getting a bid hard for some here.
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Postby Kalgrm » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:42 pm

:) It's not the maths which is bothering me: it's the English!
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Postby mikesbytes » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:45 pm

How much satisfaction did you get out of doing it yourself?
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Postby europa » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:47 pm

mikesbytes wrote:How much satisfaction did you get out of doing it yourself?


About a thousand bucks worth. It's a great feeling having it all come together. Best move I made on this build.

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Postby thomas_cho » Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:52 pm

mikesbytes wrote:How much satisfaction did you get out of doing it yourself?


Well I am not richard, but I have 3 wheelbuilds under my belt so far, and satisfaction is priceless. But whats more important is that my wheels give me confidence when riding ...
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Postby europa » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:35 pm

I've got three wheel builds ... and none of them ridden yet :roll:

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Postby europa » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:45 pm

She's coming along. Now neither the Trek nor the Jamis are rideable.

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The saddle is about the right height, so I was pleased with where the handlebars wound up with the stem I had on hand - in reality, the centre of the bars are about saddle height but the bars droop slightly as they pull back.

In case you're wondering why the bars are in the condition they are ... there's a bit of a cheat there. These are the bars from the Trek. I just cut all the cables, removed the inners, unbolted the bars and mounted them on the Jamis. Instantly the Jamis has bars with brifters mounted, bars taped, light and computer mounts in place :D

The brake outers had to be shortened a couple of inches - a quick snip, file the ends smooth and fit a new cap on the end.

Front brake mounted beautifully. Next door to no clearance with the tyres - no mudguards for this bike.

The rear brake is giving me grief. The recessed nut it came with was a long one (a front brake nut). 'Not a problem,' I thought, 'I'll cut it in half so it's the right length'. It might have worked too, only the nut isn't threaded all the way through. So I have to buy a recessed nut to mount the rear brake dammit.

The observant might notice a silver spacer under the neck. I was convinced I had two spares in the shed. A good half hour searching unearthed ONE so there's a temporary silver one in there.

So, frustrations abound but I've made progress ... and she looks a nicely balanced bike :D

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Postby steelcowboy » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:30 pm

Very nice! I've been waiting for ages to see her come together.

Still against a fixie for this one?

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Postby europa » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:37 pm

steelcowboy wrote:Very nice! I've been waiting for ages to see her come together.

Still against a fixie for this one?

Steve


I'm enjoying just looking at her :D
beats stuffing about with stupid little problems like brake mounting bolts :roll:

We'll see about the fixed gear bit. I've got a bent arriving around Christmas. If Graeme is right, the Jamis will eventually be neglected as I convert to slothful indolence in my comfy chair (ie, bumming around on the bent instead of on the wedgie), in which case a fixed conversion isn't out of the question. But that'd be six months away at least. I've got a fixie for now (the Europa who's got her hand up for a birthday :D) and need a geared bike. The bent is the big experiment.

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Postby Hotdog » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:40 pm

Looking good, Richard (the bike that is, not you :wink: ). She's essentially test rideable now, provided you only go downhill...
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Postby europa » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:44 pm

Yes, the current gearing is ... well ... free rather than fixed :D

The drive train will be the stinky bit. It'll be a case of pull it off the Trek and wash thoroughly in kero, the dry, oil/grease and install. This is really the big advantage of new over second hand, the cleaning and mucking about. It's going to be hot here for the next week and I've got my wee daughter for the next five days - it'll be interesting to see how much I get done if anything.

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Postby mikeg » Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:07 am

europa wrote:Yes, the current gearing is ... well ... free rather than fixed :D

The drive train will be the stinky bit. It'll be a case of pull it off the Trek and wash thoroughly in kero, the dry, oil/grease and install. This is really the big advantage of new over second hand, the cleaning and mucking about. It's going to be hot here for the next week and I've got my wee daughter for the next five days - it'll be interesting to see how much I get done if anything.

Richard


I use the Simple Green cleaner, doesn't stink, use it concentrated or diluted as appropriate. I recently did the cassette on the spur of the moment when swapping tyres and cassette to another pair of wheels when I put the wheels of the Sirrus in for hub service. Admittedly the cassette wasn't too bad.

Just dissambled the cassette, and cleaned with old toothbrush dipped into a cap (of bottle) using pre-used diluted cleaner.

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Postby MichaelB » Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:19 am

Saw the Jamis in the flash last night and it looks sweet indeed.

The rims look great, and Richard has done a great job.

Will look good with the rest of the gear on her !!
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Postby toolonglegs » Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:42 am

Go on Richard...chuck some :twisted: carbon :twisted: stem spacers on it!.
Looks good thou I must say :D .
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Postby europa » Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:53 am

toolonglegs wrote:Go on Richard...chuck some :twisted: carbon :twisted: stem spacers on it!.
Looks good thou I must say :D .


Thanks mate.

Funnily enough, I was looking at carbon spacers on the internet and thinking, do I or don't I? But really, she doesn't deserve to be treated like that so I'm only puttling good stuff on her :D

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Postby Birdman » Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:19 am

It is coming along very very nice Richard.

A job you should be (and are) very proud of.

Beautiful work. Except of course the lazy handlebar swap...tet tet tet.

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Postby europa » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:28 pm

I was pulling the drivetrain off the Trek tonight. You reckon I can get the bottom bracet out? The left hand side nearly didn't come, the right hand side has me wondering if it's Italian threaded (ie, not a cack handed thread on that side). I'm wondering if the same gorilla mechanic that rounded out the seat post clamping bolt also installed the bottom bracet (they had it out at one point).

Ah well. Park Tools show a ubeat method of freeing seized bottom bracket cups, guess I'll be finding out how easy that is tomorrow, can't be stuffed trying tonight.

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