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Postby Shpox » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:03 pm

Hi BNA. I've had a look around the internet for reviews/suggestions and advice but I'd honestly prefer the experience and suggestions of riders that are not only from our hotter climate (no real need for wet weather stuff) as well as Australia products too, if they are out there.

A few questions on my mind are:
Is it necessary to clean out the chain before any application of Bike Lube? One guy told me soaks his chain in acetone, rinses in water, dries in the oven to remove any excess water, applies lube in between the links and then hooks up again which lasts him about 300km. Obviously my local LBS did a run down when they handed over my roadie (not sure if they lubed or if it was still in the factory) but is a complete clean required so as to avoid mixing lubricants?

Recommendations for all weather stuff I've seen are:
    Chain-L
    Triflow
    Purple Extreme
    Prolink Gold
    Rock & Roll Gold

Would appreciate any tips and lubricant suggestions that one can pick up from Australia :)
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby HappyHumber » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:22 pm

Here we go again.

Regular motor oil, lightly thinned with white spirits. I mix it up about 3:1 to 4:1 in the last overpriced "bike specific" chain lube bottle I bought about 5 years ago. Conservatively apply and wipe of excess lightly with chux or paper towels after a dozen or so spins of the pedals.

When giving the rest of a bike a clean, I pull the chain off and clean in recycled kero. Shake & soak in a sealable little plastic tub (I use old 1kg Honey tubs). Decant old kero off through paper coffee filters in a funnel. The kero turns black but it still does the job. Afterwards I rinse the kero from the chain in water - but then shake off all excess moisture and/or leave it hanging in the sun or breeze. In the time it takes me then finish cleaning the bike I reinstall the chain and lube.

It's not the arcane science or brain surgery some people make it out to be. Then again, I guess we all like our rituals. It really ultimately just comes down to what works for you.
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby wombatK » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:25 pm

Have you heard of google ? It's a marvellous way to find out exactly what you want
and works a little like this:

Let Me Google That For you

Barely a week goes by without someone starting another chain lube thread here, and the answers can
pretty much always be found in the previous threads.

Maybe a "One and Only Chain Lubrication" thread would be helpful for the google-challenged :)

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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby mitzikatzi » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:15 pm

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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby HappyHumber » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:00 pm

mitzikatzi wrote:Cleaning a chain
Dammit. I thought my last rant was more succinct. I'm updating my sig with this same link...
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby Ross » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:53 pm

I clean my chain with Kero too but I don't understand why people are so tight as to re-use the Kero again . Wouldn't using dirty kero to clean the chain defeat the purpose of the exercise? A 1lt bottle of Kero from the supermarket is only $4 or $5, this would last many months/cleans on a one-use basis. You could buy larger/more containers (group buy with friends?) from wholesalers and get the price down even cheaper.
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby twizzle » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:04 pm

Speaking as an expert on the subject.... :P

A few years ago, I went through the weekly ritual of removing the chain from the bike, cleaning in kero in an ultrasonic cleaner, doing a detergent cycle in the ultrasonic cleaner and finally rinsing with water before drying and lubricating with Zinn's preferred lube.

It made f-all difference to chain life.

These days, I spray some WD40 on a cloth and wipe over the chain. When the chain eventually becomes a bit noisy, I lube with some chain-l oil (it's some form of hypoid gear oil) and a few days later wipe the residue off.

I have about 3000km on the current chain on the 'cross bike, which is ridden in all weather, I measured the wear last week at 0.29%.

Edit: Fixed typo in %age.
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby HappyHumber » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:11 pm

Ross wrote:Wouldn't using dirty kero to clean the chain defeat the purpose of the exercise?


I strain old reused kero through paper filters to get all the abrasive grit out of it. We're not talking about micro-organisms or bacteria shortening the life of a chain. And I'm not talking about preserving every drop... I'll often use the same filtered old kero in old oven baking trays to clean down other disassembled parts it does get splashed around a bit. When you have a reasonably sized stable of bikes and bits you're working on- why keep spending money on "new & blue" kero when filtered stuff is doing the job? I may buy a new 1 litre bottle every 18 months or more to have fresh stuff if needed or more frequently top up the filtered bottle if needed.

Like I said - it's a religious debate. Live & let live :)

Now.. I did have a tradey mate who told me a DIY recipe for a WD40 alternative once.. must ask him again. The 5 litre bottle I buy every 12 months or so could be done more cheaply. ;)
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby mitzikatzi » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:17 pm

twizzle wrote:...snip...I measured the wear last week at 2.9%.


2.9% is a lot of "wear" :shock: They recommend a chain and cassette change at %1 "wear"
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby twizzle » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:24 pm

mitzikatzi wrote:
twizzle wrote:...snip...I measured the wear last week at 2.9%.


2.9% is a lot of "wear" :shock: They recommend a chain and cassette change at %1 "wear"



Doh! .29%.
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby Ozkaban » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:29 pm

Not going to get involved in this as it will become a religious argument within... oh wait, nevermind.

the only thing I will say is that factory lube is the best and leave it alone until it becomes necessary to clean/relube. You can tell this by how dirty the chain is or when it gets a bit noisy. This could be after several hundred km or one ride in the rain.

Shpox wrote: Obviously my local LBS did a run down when they handed over my roadie (not sure if they lubed or if it was still in the factory)

Your LBS wouldn't have touched it.

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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby ZepinAtor » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:40 pm

K.H.A.O.R.

Kerosine
Hose
Air compresser (optional/sunshine/air dry)
Oil
Rag
Gas propulsion.......it's natural don't fight it.
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby handle » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:08 pm

Seems it is time to consult the guru once more (yes, we have been here before).

Fanatics here:

http://sheldonbrown.com/chainclean.html

Others here:

http://sheldonbrown.com/chains.html#cleaning
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby HappyHumber » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:54 pm

HappyHumber wrote:
Ross wrote:Wouldn't using dirty kero to clean the chain defeat the purpose of the exercise?
I strain old reused kero through paper filters to get all the abrasive grit out of it.
Oh... and further to my previous comment... there is the environmental impact constantly disposing of the kero as well. I know that keeps some people awake at night.

Mine only ever gradually disappears by spillage or evaporation.
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby alf » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:49 pm

wombatK wrote:
Maybe a "One and Only Chain Lubrication" thread would be helpful for the google-challenged


Well I find it useful to remind mine to clean and lube mine. If it was in a one and only thread it might not be as effective.:grin:
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby robs12 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:06 pm

So what does the factory use to lube?
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby Mulger bill » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:37 pm

HappyHumber wrote:
Ross wrote:Wouldn't using dirty kero to clean the chain defeat the purpose of the exercise?


I strain old reused kero through paper filters to get all the abrasive grit out of it. We're not talking about micro-organisms or bacteria shortening the life of a chain. And I'm not talking about preserving every drop... I'll often use the same filtered old kero in old oven baking trays to clean down other disassembled parts it does get splashed around a bit. When you have a reasonably sized stable of bikes and bits you're working on- why keep spending money on "new & blue" kero when filtered stuff is doing the job? I may buy a new 1 litre bottle every 18 months or more to have fresh stuff if needed or more frequently top up the filtered bottle if needed.


Works for me too, tho' you go through a few coffee filters :D
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby clackers » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:39 pm

alf wrote:
wombatK wrote:
Maybe a "One and Only Chain Lubrication" thread would be helpful for the google-challenged


Well I find it useful to remind mine to clean and lube mine. If it was in a one and only thread it might not be as effective.:grin:


Some forums have 'sticky' threads upfront that have in one place the tired topics from the past newbies always seem to start again and again.

You know, Carbon v Alloy, Mandatory Helmets, First Road Bike, etc etc.
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby mitzikatzi » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:15 am

I still think Bacon Fat is the King of Lubes. For all you Vego's this looks like a good alternative.

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Hi guys! I have a lot of bananas at my apartment where I live. After I eat them, instead of letting the peels go to waste, I take the natural lubrication and rub it all over my bike chain. Not only does this help lubricate the chain, it also cleans the dirt and grime off it. So far, no problems with this method. :thumb:

Good thing to do or bad thing to do? What are your thoughts?


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In answer to your question, I feel that using banana peel is beneficial to use as a chain lube. The natural slickness of the fibrous lining of the skin keeps the chain lubricated and any excess flesh will over time dry and flake away as the oils separate to permeate the links. In contrast to commercial lubes, the remaining residue is biodegradable and won't harm the Earth.
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby clackers » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:07 am

mitzikatzi wrote:I still think Bacon Fat is the King of Lubes.


I believe the French teams like AGR2 and Cofidis prefer duck fat, Mitzikatzi!
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby alf » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:46 am

mitzikatzi wrote:I still think Bacon Fat is the King of Lubes.

Not sure it served Philippe Gilbert well.... But the dog seemed to like it.

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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby clackers » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:04 am

What a great pic! Love the family protectiveness around the oblivious pet! :grin:
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby master6 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:03 pm

Where is the fella with the Darwin award? :D
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby wizardhat » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:04 pm

There should be a sticky thread for chain lube/cleaning :)
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Re: Roadie Chain Cleaning and Lubrication suggestions

Postby master6 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:08 pm

wizardhat wrote:There should be a sticky thread for chain lube/cleaning :)

We could then expect a thread on "Sticky Threads....how to clean them".


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