Wheel building

[familyguy]

Anyone know how to get a hold of 290mm or 291mm Pillar triple butted spokes locally? Pillar don't seem to answer direct emails.

Jim

[queequeg]

Anyone know how to get a hold of 290mm or 291mm Pillar triple butted spokes locally? Pillar don't seem to answer direct emails.

Jim

Locally, no idea. Only place I have seen them online is http://www.bdopcycling.com

[familyguy]

Yeah, same. Shipping is an absolute packet, and they rather inconveniently do 32 but not 36

Jim

[biker jk]

Yeah, same. Shipping is an absolute packet, and they rather inconveniently do 32 but not 36

Jim

On Ebay this shop was selling them. Perhaps call them, They are in Victoria.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pillar-PSR- ... 1289709781

[familyguy]

Yeah, they're "on leave" from ebay. Will call cyclic tomorrow.

[Duck!]

I believe Bicycle Parts Wholesale are a distributor for Pillar spokes. Three caveats though: one, they don't sell direct to public, so you'll have to go through your LBS, however I believe they are quite helpful to direct enquiries, and will advise if they have the appropriate product, and will direct you to a nearby shop who deals with them. Second, I'm not sure how much of the Pillar range they import; triple-butted spokes are pretty uncommon in any case. Finally, odd-numbered length increments are incredibly rare, regardless of spoke manufacturer or sales source. If the figures you have are derived from an online spoke calculator, go back to the exact measurement given (they'll usually provide an exact calculation, and a rounded calculation) and round the exact figure off to the nearest even-numbered increment; e.g. if the calculator says 290.x, round it down to 290mm, if it says 291.x, round up to 292mm.

[familyguy]

I have gotten several sets from Cyclic via ebay for three wheelsets. Will call the shop. BDop does 291's, but 290 will do.

[familyguy]

THREAD DREDGE

I am looking into replacing a set of 32H Mavic Open Pro (602 or 605 ERD depending on your source of info, I will measure it if I can) on 32H Campagnolo Daytona hubs, some miles but rather well kept from what I can tell.

NOW, I offer this with a caveat of "not just gonna do it without asking", so here goes...

Replacing A with B:
A - Mavic Open Pro, ERD 605
B - H Plus Son TB14, ERD 610

If the Open Pro are indeed 605, which leaves 2.5mm short each way, is going from a 12mm nipple currently installed to 14mm or 16mm (brass, not alloy) going to get me to where I need without a set of new spokes?

Jim

[P!N20]

Vote for 14.

[Duck!]

I'd stump for the correct spokes. Although a lot more tolerant than aluminium, brass nipples will still eventually blow their heads off if the spokes are too short to screw right up into the head.

[familyguy]

I'll be pulling the rim tape off today to see where the ends of the threads sit. Even Mavic Open Sport are a different ERD to the Open Pro (610 v 607). Still, slow burn project of a Daytona group refurb. Gotta rebuild the shifters before much else can happen.

Jim

[familyguy]

Well, spoke threads are all at the top if not slightly protruding from the nipples. Bonus.

[Thoglette]

project of a Daytona group refurb. Gotta rebuild the shifters

Ah, the groupset they use in heaven!

[familyguy]

I'm tossing a wheel rebuild/new build up and came across the Soma El Nino 24 rims.

Rim brake capable rim but anodised the whole way around with non-machined sidewalls, they look Borat-style 'nice', even for a gravel/tourer/adventurer. 24mm wide, 19mm deep, eyelets, hard ano finish, made by Araya (reportedly). 24mm outer/19mm inner width should be enough to run anything from 28-42.

Anyone used these, or even the 19's as an indicator of what quality to expect? If they are Araya-quality then the price might be worthwhile. I'd probably be happy paying another $100-120 to get to that level of wheel, rather than just spend on new spokes and reuse the rims I do have, given the way the spokes in them have corroded after 2000km or so. The eyelets might go the same way.

Jim

[Stovepipe]

So I dont know about wheel building, but I have a Zipp wheelset with a front cracked rim (not worth repairing apparently). I'd like to buy a china carbon rim and transfer the zipp hub/spokes on to it.
How exact does the rim size need to be? mm perfect? Anything else to consider?
I will be handing it over to LBS to build.

[MattyK]

If you're handing it to a shop they should know what they're doing. If the Effective Rim Diameter (ERD, the measurement to where the spoke nipples attach) is different, then they will (Should!) use new spokes or cut and rethread the current ones (or use longer spokes if the ERD is bigger).

[familyguy]

I'm looking for a 24H aero-ish rim available in silver (first choice) but black MIGHT work. It's for a show/hanger build of a set of 24H 7800 hubs. Unlikely to be ridden wheels, not for me at 90kg anyway.

So far I've got:
XC279 (23 wide x 28 high)
XR270 (19.4 wide x 27 high)
H Plus Son Archetype (23 wide x 25 high)

I'm pretty sure the XC279 is the only one available in an offset rear, which would help minimise spoke tension issues for such a low spoke count set.

I do have a set of what I suspect are XR270 on a BuckyBikes Le Bullet wheelset, 20H front/24H rear. The dimensions seem to fit with those listed. They look good, but the front being 20H is stopping me using these.

Any other suggestions on rims that might look similar and work for a 24/24 setup? I don't really want a 30mm alloy rim, too deep for the vibe I'm aiming for. Maybe 35mm carbon 24/24 if it comes to that, but this is a slow burn job.

Jim

[10speedsemiracer]

How about a Velocity A23 , comes in polished silver, 24h drilling, 23mm wide and 19.5mm high.



Not as cheap as the Kinlin, but good rims.

[familyguy]

Oh, yeah, forgot about those. They've been really hard to source locally since they moved production to the US. Definitely an option. And they have an offset rear version as a sweetener.

[find_bruce]

Does that mean you know a good source of the Kinlin rims? Wriggle used to be the cheapest source for H+ Son, but in typical recent form no longer list 24 hole silver, but do have black.

Qld fleabay seller usually has archetypes for a decent price, but currently no silver 24h

BTW why do you care about spoke tension if the wheels aren't going to be ridden?

[familyguy]

Does that mean you know a good source of the Kinlin rims? Wriggle used to be the cheapest source for H+ Son, but in typical recent form no longer list 24 hole silver, but do have black.

Qld fleabay seller usually has archetypes for a decent price, but currently no silver 24h

BTW why do you care about spoke tension if the wheels aren't going to be ridden?

I believe at least two local builders use them. Several big branded suppliers use Kinlins for their branded stuff, its good gear. But when it comes to getting some, thats the hard bit.

As for tension, I'd like to at least make them usable for someone in future. Otherwise I would just grab 25mm carbon rims and build real show ponies.

I dont actually like the Archetypes that much. I find the peak in the middle visually jarring.

[10speedsemiracer]

Oh, yeah, forgot about those. They've been really hard to source locally since they moved production to the US. Definitely an option. And they have an offset rear version as a sweetener.

They're brought into Aus by Bicycle Parts Warehouse, and the nearest shop to you (I think) is :

CYCLEMAX
G2 109 ALEXANDER STREET CROWS NEST NSW 2065
Phone: 02 9438 3320

unless you've moved...

There are others, although whether there are any A23s in the country...I do not know.

[familyguy]

Yeah, CycleMax is still there, have used him for some disc fettling jobs, nice guy. Will go see him next few days if he's not snowed under.

[biker jk]

I'm looking for a 24H aero-ish rim available in silver (first choice) but black MIGHT work. It's for a show/hanger build of a set of 24H 7800 hubs. Unlikely to be ridden wheels, not for me at 90kg anyway.

So far I've got:
XC279 (23 wide x 28 high)
XR270 (19.4 wide x 27 high)
H Plus Son Archetype (23 wide x 25 high)

I'm pretty sure the XC279 is the only one available in an offset rear, which would help minimise spoke tension issues for such a low spoke count set.

I do have a set of what I suspect are XR270 on a BuckyBikes Le Bullet wheelset, 20H front/24H rear. The dimensions seem to fit with those listed. They look good, but the front being 20H is stopping me using these.

Any other suggestions on rims that might look similar and work for a 24/24 setup? I don't really want a 30mm alloy rim, too deep for the vibe I'm aiming for. Maybe 35mm carbon 24/24 if it comes to that, but this is a slow burn job.

Jim

I've used the Kinlin XC279 and it built up into a solid wheelset. However, I believe that rim has been superceded. What about the Kinlin XR26RT? It comes in an offset version.

https://www.bikehubstore.com/Kinlin-XR26T-p/xr26rt.htm

[familyguy]

2 year thread dredge. Maybe this is just the go-to place to put rim requests?

I have a set of Fulcrum Racing 77 (yes, 77, not just 7) on a Cube bike I picked up. I've moved the previous Cosine wheels onto the bike instead cause the 77's are looking a little rough with various corrosion spots. I was thinking "would be nice to rebuild the hubs onto a slightly wider rim to have an option to simply stick some 28+ tyres on the bike. If they'll fit, that's another matter.

Straight pull spokes, easy enough. Trouble is they're a 21 hole rim. 7 NDS radial/14DS.

Is there even an off-the-shelf 21 hole rim available? My search has not turned up any 21 hole rims. I'm fully prepared to just rip the hubs out and junk the wheels, that's how poor they are.