Broken zipp rear hub

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Broken zipp rear hub

Postby warthog1 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:26 pm

As per the thread title, the 20 spoke rear hub has broken the flange on the drive side.
It is radially laced on the drive side.
Any ideas on an alternative hub with which to get it rebuilt?
I will be getting a shop to do it.

It looks like this;

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby Duck! » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:33 pm

Aftermarket 20-hole rear hubs are exceptionally rare, but not totally non-existent. Hope make one, but whether you (or your chosen shop) can find one in the country is another matter.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby warthog1 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:00 pm

Duck! wrote:Aftermarket 20-hole rear hubs are exceptionally rare, but not totally non-existent. Hope make one, but whether you (or your chosen shop) can find one in the country is another matter.


Is something like this going to work?
https://www.dtswiss.com/en/products/hub ... aightpull/

I found this; https://hollandbikeshop.com/en-gb/brand ... ck-466717/
The price! Shissen :o

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby Duck! » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:15 pm

warthog1 wrote:Is something like this going to work?
https://www.dtswiss.com/en/products/hub ... aightpull/

No. The DT website description is poor, not distinguishing the spoke count options for front or rear hubs. The 240 does NOT have a 20-hole rear option; 20 is only available for the front. That insanely-priced 180 is their only 20-hole rear model.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby rodneycc » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:02 pm

Pretty sure White Industries do a 20H rear. Really nice hubs to match those wheels as well.

http://www.whiteind.com/t11/

Not sure what else its reliant on but think I remember seeing Zipp wheels with rebuilt white industries hubs on ebay at some stage before.
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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby biker jk » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:32 am

An inexpensive option is the Novatec F482SB-SL. Although it will look like you have a Chinese made wheel with Zipp stickers. :D

https://www.bdopcycling.com/Hubs-F482SB-SL-11.asp

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby warthog1 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:03 pm

Thanks fellas. Some options there. :)
I'm liking the price of that novatec hub Biker jk.
I care zip(p) about any snob factor :wink: :)

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby find_bruce » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:56 am

Chris King make a 29 hle hub, but its even more insanely-priced than the DT swiss 180.

White Industries T11 Rear Hub comes in 20 hole, but t won't be much cheaper

Bike 24 list the Hope RS4 hub for €162.60 + shipping, but neither black nor silver are in stock in 20 holes

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby BJL » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:27 am

I'm interested to know why it was laced that way. Radial lacing on the drive side and what appears to be 1x lacing on the non drive side. Everything I've read suggests that radial lacing is the weakest so why do that on the drive side of a rear hub? Having said that, I'm not really familiar with low spoke count wheels as I'm on the heavier side and all my wheels are 32 spoke 3x lacing. I'm simple in this regard. :)

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby mikesbytes » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:17 pm

Do you know why it broke? Perhaps Zipp will replace it under warranty or you can purchase a hub from Zipp.

Another perhaps smaller consideration is the space and size of the flanges, as you might be able to recycle those expensive spokes.

Also if your running 10 speed, then check if the new hub is compatible with 11 speed with a free body change to future proof
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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby warthog1 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:59 pm

mikesbytes wrote:Do you know why it broke? Perhaps Zipp will replace it under warranty or you can purchase a hub from Zipp.

Another perhaps smaller consideration is the space and size of the flanges, as you might be able to recycle those expensive spokes.

Also if your running 10 speed, then check if the new hub is compatible with 11 speed with a free body change to future proof


I'm not sure about warranty. NRS neutral service wheels from a few seasons back. Got them at well under half price and near new. That may preclude warranty.
84 reasons it broke, plenty of them around my waistline :cry:
A replacement one will likely break too.
It's 11s but I just won't ride it much I guess.
Most of the speed is in the front wheel and that'll have to do me if I go on those fast bunch rides I prob have no place being in anymore.
A significant form reversal will need to place first too. :oops: :lol:

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby MichaelB » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:01 pm

find_bruce wrote:Chris King make a 29 hle hub, but its even more insanely-priced than the DT swiss 180.

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Wow - never seen that combo before :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby warthog1 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:02 pm

find_bruce wrote:Chris King make a 29 hle hub, but its even more insanely-priced than the DT swiss 180.

White Industries T11 Rear Hub comes in 20 hole, but t won't be much cheaper

Bike 24 list the Hope RS4 hub for €162.60 + shipping, but neither black nor silver are in stock in 20 holes

Thanks :)

I'm liking Biker's novatec option I think.
I'll see what the wheel bloke says.
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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby Duck! » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:41 pm

mikesbytes wrote:...or you can purchase a hub from Zipp.

No you can't. Only way to get a Zipp replacement is to send (via your LBS) the wheel to SRAM DSD Australia in Melbourne or Echelon Sports (formerly Zipp Aus before SRAM bought out Zipp) in Brisbane and have the wheel rebuilt. Zipp hubs are not available, even to Zipp dealers.

BJL wrote:I'm interested to know why it was laced that way. Radial lacing on the drive side and what appears to be 1x lacing on the non drive side. Everything I've read suggests that radial lacing is the weakest so why do that on the drive side of a rear hub? Having said that, I'm not really familiar with low spoke count wheels as I'm on the heavier side and all my wheels are 32 spoke 3x lacing. I'm simple in this regard. :)

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Radial lacing helps with the lateral stiffness of the wheel, especially with low spoke counts. Low spoke counts also need fewer crosses in the lacing because there's naturally a greater angle off the hub due to the distance betwen each spoke. Also, slightly surprisingly, there's little difference in torsional rigidity between having the crossed lacing on drive side, off side or both sides.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby find_bruce » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:25 am

MichaelB wrote:
find_bruce wrote:Chris King make a 29 hle hub, but its even more insanely-priced than the DT swiss 180.

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Wow - never seen that combo before :lol: :lol: :lol:

Odd # spokes is the latest thing from shelbroco. Be interesting trying to build a wheel

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby foo on patrol » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:09 am

warthog1 wrote:
mikesbytes wrote:Do you know why it broke? Perhaps Zipp will replace it under warranty or you can purchase a hub from Zipp.

Another perhaps smaller consideration is the space and size of the flanges, as you might be able to recycle those expensive spokes.

Also if your running 10 speed, then check if the new hub is compatible with 11 speed with a free body change to future proof


I'm not sure about warranty. NRS neutral service wheels from a few seasons back. Got them at well under half price and near new. That may preclude warranty.
84 reasons it broke, plenty of them around my waistline :cry:
A replacement one will likely break too.
It's 11s but I just won't ride it much I guess.
Most of the speed is in the front wheel and that'll have to do me if I go on those fast bunch rides I prob have no place being in anymore.
A significant form reversal will need to place first too. :oops: :lol:


To much power being produced, Warty! :mrgreen:

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby warthog1 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:37 am

foo on patrol wrote:
To much power being produced, Warty! :mrgreen:

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Are you saying I develop 84 watts during a sprint?
Probably about right :( :lol:

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby foo on patrol » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:43 am

warthog1 wrote:
foo on patrol wrote:
To much power being produced, Warty! :mrgreen:

Foo


Are you saying I develop 840 watts during a sprint?
Probably about right :( :lol:


Yeah but ya left the 0 off. :lol:

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Re: Broken zipp rear hub

Postby warthog1 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:25 pm

foo on patrol wrote:
warthog1 wrote:
foo on patrol wrote:
To much power being produced, Warty! :mrgreen:

Foo


Are you saying I develop 840 watts during a sprint?
Probably about right :( :lol:


Yeah but ya left the 0 off. :lol:

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Maybe I could muster that for a few nanoseconds a few years back (never been a sprinter)
Not these days :( :lol:

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