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Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:39 am

Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders to take cycling seriously?
Have you got any questions? the answers will be old-school (be prepared)
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby sogood » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:54 am

First question: What's the difference b/n old and new school styles in track riding? :roll:
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:41 pm

Sogood,
Great first question, and from your avatar, I would
think you must understand "the way". As an example,
I studied, Tai Chi, Chen Style, and as you would probably
understand, there is an old and new style, I studied Old.
And there is quite a differance between the two styles,
in Tai Chi, as there probably is in old-new style track cycling.
So, as I know nothing of the "new school style in track racing"
you explain to me what you know of it, and I can then show
you where old-style differs, from the new.
Now, to you?
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Postby provoked » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:43 pm

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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:49 pm

Ok, we will begin... (here we go!)
I have a question, for anyone out there-
"How long is a piece of string?"
First to answer gets a prize.
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby sogood » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:53 pm

That's a tricky reply. :wink:

But I would send the question back to you as you first brought up "old-school" which would mean you already have some pre-conception of what old and new means. So it's probably better if you start by stating your definition. Otherwise I don't ride track and would not be the first person to define what "new" is. Or is fixed rear hub "new"? :mrgreen:
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby m@ » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:00 pm

brentono wrote:Ok, we will begin... (here we go!)
I have a question, for anyone out there-
"How long is a piece of string?"
First to answer gets a prize.
Cheers
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Twice as long as if it's folded in half?... Half as long as if there were two?... 2.Ï€.r if it were placed in a perfect circle? :wink:

Or: there is no string 8)
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby sogood » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:21 pm

m@ wrote:
brentono wrote:"How long is a piece of string?"
First to answer gets a prize.

Twice as long as if it's folded in half?... Half as long as if there were two?... 2.Ï€.r if it were placed in a perfect circle? :wink:
Or: there is no string 8)

So what prize will m@ receive? :lol:
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:31 pm

Sogood,
So what your saying is that you have not ridden on a track,
well after you try it, come back with some questions,
you might have some then, ... why not try it?
I am "old-school" because I've been told so, I might even
be "Vintage"... Smile.
This is a the "Track" section, and as stated,
"helping young riders to take cycling seriously? "
That means "helping young track riders to take track cycling seriously?"
if I need to make myself clearer.
By the way, how old ARE you? (you may not qualify?)

M@
Good try, but no cigar.
Think of "the Way" and it may come to you...?

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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby Missy24 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:32 pm

brentono wrote:"How long is a piece of string?"

What is a piece of string?
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby sogood » Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:51 pm

brentono wrote:So what your saying is that you have not ridden on a track,
well after you try it, come back with some questions,
you might have some then, ... why not try it?

My club has a good track program but I do not have the time to get involved with track side of our club activities.
I am "old-school" because I've been told so, I might even
be "Vintage"... Smile.

So why did they tell you you are "old-school"? Old because you have an old track bike? Old training methods? Or others? And for a new rider, why should they be interested in "old-school" (however that's defined) when they'll be riding and racing in the modern era with equipments and coaching that have extracted the best from the past and combined it with modern know-how?

Given that you gave the warning on "old school" in the original post, I think it's only fair that we should be better informed of the "risks" and "benefits" associated with "old school" track riding.
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:12 pm

Sogood,
I was actually asked to get involved here in this section.

I don't have a track bike, my set of bikes, was sold
(basically given away, I'd be embarrassed to say how much)
to a young, up and coming junior, many years ago.

You are not involved in Track, and you don't seem to know
how old you are? So what's your point? Time-wasting?

You must see I have the patience of Job, to be even be
bothering to repond to your posts. Let somebody that may
be helped, regarding track cycling get in here, edgeways,
to post, if you will.

Missy24,
I could say something very rude, as a joke, here, but I won't,
as I am a gentleman. (and what about the kids) ???

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Postby Sweeper59 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:23 pm

12 posts so far......and I don't see much help being dispensed.
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby Missy24 » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:24 pm

brentono wrote:Missy24,
I could say something very rude, as a joke, here, but I won't,
as I am a gentleman. (and what about the kids) ???

A gentleman... ok. Sure... we are all allowed our own opinion.

You ask how long is a piece of string, I merely pose the question that in order to understand how long a piece of string is one must first pose the question, "what is a piece of string?"
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby m@ » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:29 pm

brentono wrote:M@
Good try, but no cigar.
Think of "the Way" and it may come to you...?


Got it... it's a rhetorical question! Hence:

Q: How long is a piece of string.

A: Indeed. :mrgreen:

Personally I'm very interested in track... being in Tassie getting involved would be difficult though - no indoor velodrome. Dodgy knees are a factor too - keeping me off the roadie at the moment, let alone a fixed gear :(
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby sogood » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:33 pm

Brenton, welcome and thank you for participating. Maybe we all got in a mess for the difference in style of communication on a forum across generations. So let's start again.

I don't think there's anything wrong in an open forum to ask about the differentiation for old vs new schools of track cycling given you brought the subject up. Given your extended experience, what do you see are the differences in track cycling b/n your time and the current? I am seriously interested and there's no malice in the question.
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:17 pm

M@,
You got it! rhetorical, you couldn't know the answer,
because the piece of string that I thinking about,
might not be the one you were thinking of.
(We may be talking about the same thing,
but thinking entirely differently, it happens on this site?)
My piece of string has a beginning, and an end,
and it is infinately long. You start at the beginning,
and when you get to the other end, there's your prize.
Yes, and infinity can be defined, and possibly? measured.
Thanks.

No indoor Velodrome in Hobart? So you were right about Tassie being
50 years behind, even sleepy little Perth, has one.
Let me know what you want to know about the track,
(just have to check you ID at the door, for your age, please)
Hope your knees, improve, and may I suggest Tai Chi, I wasn't
joking, a great dicipline, gentle, while building strength, and
balance (body and mind) ... gives power and the Chi!
and it would be part of my training method.
It would help build up strength in your knees, by just doing
the exercises (not all the steps) and with back to the wall
(supported) very gentle.
Wish I had have known about it when I was racing.
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby mikesbytes » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:43 pm

Sogood's relation with the velodrome is more than just turning a wheel

I am young to the sport of track racing
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Postby Verbs & Nouns » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:43 pm

Can I have my ten minutes back from reading this thread please?

I wasn't happy with it.
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:02 pm

Sogood,

My knowledge of what goes on today, at the track, is only what
I know from media (various) and the only reason I brought up "old school"
was if people start questioning about their meters, and their kilowatts, and
new high tech equipment, great new high tech training methods, and
the like, I have little, or no idea.

All I know with the present, for the track, is basic training hasn't changed,
basic tactics either. Competition is just that, and differs in many ways.
I spent a lot of time with a lot of World Champions, trained with and raced
them, picked up a few points, over my period, and enjoyed it.

Race Times have varied very little since my era, so with the "new school"-AIS
methods, I would have expected a much greater improvement, so what is it?
Pound for pound, maybe "old school" methods were better, you be the judge.
(and by that, I don't mean your here to judge me, don't bother, I'm here to help)

...along the line of another thread (you may be familiar) let me put it this way...
"Get it straight buster - I'm not here to say please, I'm here to tell you what to do
and if self-preservation is an instinct you possess you'd better f*cking do it and do it quick.
I'm here to help - if my help's not appreciated then lotsa luck, gentlemen."

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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:07 pm

Verbs & Nouns,
I want my life back!
"You can't always get what you want" even your generation,
that expect it ALL, for nothing?
Have you even got a life?
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Postby mikesbytes » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:14 pm

Hi Brento, I'll leave the new school questions to Alex Simmons and the like.

I'm running 49/14 gearing (94" depending on your measurement method) and many say that I am spinning too much. What are your views on gearing/cadence?
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby Verbs & Nouns » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:17 pm

brentono wrote:Verbs & Nouns,
I want my life back!
"You can't always get what you want" even your generation,
that expect it ALL, for nothing?
Have you even got a life?
Cheers
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Bro, I’m Gen X, not Y.
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:21 pm

V&N,
Sorry, my bad.
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Re: Ex-Aussie track rider helping young riders ..........

Postby brentono » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:32 pm

Mikesbikes,
FME (from my experience) 94 is big, only saw a few guys, big
enough and bad enough to pump that baby. What's your weight/height?
and what events are we talking about?
Got some starting off ideas, here...
viewtopic.php?f=39&t=19364&p=296729#p296729
but that was mainly aimed at newbies, but still can have relevance.
"I am spinning too much"... does that mean your a top?
More info you give me, I may get a better idea.
Hope I can help.
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