Cool track photo thread

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby david.w.kimber » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:52 pm

Image of restored pace bike mentioned above.

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:59 pm

david.w.kimber wrote:Image of restored pace bike mentioned above.

http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/David ... state=copy


This needs to be back on a track somewhere with bikes behind it. Are you planning on using it, or just showing it?
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:12 pm

That is super cool! 8)

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby mikesbytes » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:25 pm

Hi David and welcome, this is how to display pictures. click quote on my post and your see how its done;

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby Derny Driver » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:03 pm

Ive got derny envy
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby find_bruce » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:45 pm

Clean up on keyboard 3, I seem to have drooled all over it :D
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:59 am

David
Glad to see Mike got you sorted on the photo.
That is such a nice restoration, congratulations. 8)
Must keep the neighbors on their toes, when you fire that baby up. :lol:
Would say that's going to be a bit difficult wielding that around a modern velodrome. :shock:
(your going to need to find a big, old cement 'drome, for your tryouts, mate :wink: )
All the best with your project, will post anything else, relevant, that I find.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:34 am

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You'll find a lot of stuff at the Finlay Brothers History Site

Google is also your friend.

Motor pacing with forks the right way around
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The right way around, but also the wrong way, if you know what I mean (a bit big, how do I resize on this forum?)
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More on Turtill's bike (Lot's of bike pron on that site)

It can be dangerous, though
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:33 am

BFV
Some links allow to juggle size=s600 ;click quote on my post and you see how its done;cheers
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby bigfriendlyvegan » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:49 am

Thanks. Too many forums, too many minor differences in formatting syntax.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby tallywhacker » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:06 pm

bigfriendlyvegan wrote:
It can be dangerous, though
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a bit of background to this picture here
and a bit about track hard men here
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:09 pm

A little story on the early days of Merckx.
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Despite his successes, Merckx was not immune to injury and accident
as a derny race in Blois in 1969 illustrates.
Merckx was in a derny-paced exhibition race toward the end of the season.
These are races in which cyclists each follow their own motorcycle pacer around an oval track.
A pacer and cyclist fell in front of Merckx forcing Merckx and his pacer to fall.
Merckx’s pacer was killed instantly.
Merckx was knocked unconscious and was bleeding heavily from a head wound.

Merckx suffered a concussion and required stitches to close the gaping wound.
The worst lingering effect from the accident was that Merckx cracked one of his vertebrae
and twisted his pelvis.
This made climbing painful and, despite his amazing victory record,
may have limited his winning to some extent.



... having fallen, myself, from behind a pacer, my hand going into an opponents rear wheel,
and luckily, wrist turning tangent to the spoke travel. Lost a fair amount of skin and flesh.
Happened at a cement velodrome in Perth. Still have the trophy scars.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:30 pm

WTH :shock:

Jose Meifrett's bike. He crashed it at Monthery Velodrome at 128Kmh. ouch! :oops:

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby find_bruce » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:41 pm

For anyone who, like me was wondering why the fork is backwards, Dave Moulton's explanation is
The Stayer bike as it is called, has a smaller front wheel, a steeper head angle, and reverse fork; all designed to get the rider closer to the motorcycle that is pacing him. There is a roller mounted behind the pace machine, set at a regulation distance. It is up to the rider to get as close to that roller as he can for maximum drafting effect.
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If you look at the drawing on the left, you can visualize that a smaller wheel means less trail, a steeper head angle also means less trail, but the reverse fork increases trail to compensate. A stayer bike may have a little more trail than the average track bike, but not an excessive amount.

Another reason to have the fork reversed is that occasionally the rider will bump the roller on the back of the motorcycle. If he does the roller will spin and the fork will flex easier in the direction it is raked or bent, thus absorbing these slight bumps.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby mikesbytes » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:52 pm

I hear there is a UCI regulation stipulating a gap between the pedal axil and the back of the wheel, so at a guess reversing the fork would bring the wheel to far back nowadays
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:09 pm

mikesbytes wrote:I hear there is a UCI regulation stipulating a gap between the pedal axil and the back of the wheel, so at a guess reversing the fork would bring the wheel to far back nowadays


the distance between the centre of the bottom bracket axle
and the centre of the front wheel axle, which must be
between 540 and 650 mm (Article 1.3.016)

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:20 am

Better revive this thread :D
The rarely seen, these days... "Trackstand" Famous shot of Gaiardoni-Maspes clash at the Vigorelli in the Sixties.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby siennatrack » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:44 pm

hi brentono i have missed these photos anyway showed my father this great shot and his response was that standing still was his pet hate and he always reckoned that if you lead out they had to be going faster to get past so put them on the hip and if you get beat you were just not quick enough simple irish logic,so please keep the photos coming we love to talk about them and sooner or later i will work out how to post some of my many cheers
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby brentono » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:17 am

Thanks Sienna, nice to see there is still some interest here.
Track Sprints are less action these days, since the many rule changes.
Trackstanding, back in the day, was mostly psychological, though
some of the best I had seen, when it came to the banks, they
were masters, and would control the match on the bank.
Personally, like your father, it was not my "cup of tea" but since
I enjoyed the control, you had from the back (that sounds like Irish "Logic"?)
Many times you would be forced to get involved in a trackstand.
Here's a shot of Maspes, on the bank, as hard as it gets to master.
The steeper the bank, the harder to master.
It was just another discipline you had to practice for Track Match Sprints.
Ironic, standing still, there can be so much action. :D
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby Derny Driver » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:26 pm

siennatrack wrote:hi brentono i have missed these photos anyway showed my father this great shot and his response was that standing still was his pet hate and he always reckoned that if you lead out they had to be going faster to get past so put them on the hip and if you get beat you were just not quick enough simple irish logic,so please keep the photos coming we love to talk about them and sooner or later i will work out how to post some of my many cheers

That was my dad's philosophy too ... ride the front. The Vigorelli bahn in brent's photo was a 400 metre outdoor (partly covered) wooden track. The rear position would be favoured with such a long straight. Hence the trackstand to force your rival to take the lead.
These days most tracks are a standard 250 metre, and the front is the favoured position. You cant come over your opponent in the bend and the finish line comes up too quick for the rear guy to get by (generally speaking of course).
A friend in Germany sent me a Radsport story about how my uncle once beat German sprintmeister Bunzell a 3 up final of a sprint carnival in Berlin in 1950. Bunzell was undefeated and the race was on his home track. Only problem was, Bunzel chose the back position, my uncle took the front, and the track was 153m indoor.

These days the trackstand is a bit of a lost art /pointless activity, used mostly for crowd entertainment.
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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby ironhanglider » Sat May 04, 2013 7:28 pm

I saw Troy Clarke beat David Dew in a Victorian Sprint Championship at Northcote using a different tactic to get to his preferred rear position. (333m outdoor concrete Velodrome)
First heat Dew had to lead and was run down to be beaten by half a wheel.
Second heat Clarke had to lead and was soundly beaten.
Third heat Clarke had to lead. He rode rather than dawdled the first lap and wound it up to 25-30kmh in the finish straight, then just before the line he bent down and jammed his hand on the front wheel as a brake. Dew (who was a big man) had no hope of stopping in time and blew past into the lead. From there on it was a repeat of the first heat.

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:53 am

Well time for some more pics but I don't know who these two are. :oops: The bloke on the right certainly has the thighs and calves for speed. :shock:

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:57 am

A nice cutie shot. :)

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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby .isaac. » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:21 am

Robert Forstermann and Kristina Vogel, Foo.


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Re: Cool track photo thread

Postby foo on patrol » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:59 am

Thanks mate! :mrgreen:

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