Best tyres for commuting?

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Best tyres for commuting?

Postby RonK » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:54 am

queequeg wrote:It is like the tread has delaminated from the casing. The rubber is still in excellent condition otherwise.

Delamination has been a recurring problem since Schwalbe moved production to Indonesia.

They had to recall the Ultremo but I've seen quite a few reports about the problem affecting other Schwalbe models.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby queequeg » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:19 am

Drizt wrote:The plus is a completely different tyre though. They should be named differently as they are nothing a like. Unrealistic expectations I feel. No disrespect intended.


Yes and no. The supreme is sold as having almost equivalent puncture protection at a fraction of the weight. Both of my supremes have had to retired long before the rubber itself was worn. I was not expecting 25,000km as this was more a test of whether it made commuting easier/faster with minimal loss of puncture protection.
The tread pattern on the 5,000km supreme is not even half gone, but the tyre is now unusable due to the deformation.

ironically, on my ride this morning with two new marathon plus tyres, the ride felt smoother and was 1km/h faster on the avg speed. Not really scientific, but essentially the supremes made no difference at all to my commute times.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby queequeg » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:23 am

RonK wrote:
queequeg wrote:It is like the tread has delaminated from the casing. The rubber is still in excellent condition otherwise.

Delamination has been a recurring problem since Schwalbe moved production to Indonesia.

They had to recall the Ultremo but I've seen quite a few reports about the problem affecting other Schwalbe models.


I'll have to inspect the tyre closer. When inflated, the deformation feels like it has an air bubble behind it. It could also be that the rubber is thinner in this spot, so the tyre has a hernia when inflated.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby singlespeedscott » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:38 am

queequeg wrote:
Drizt wrote:The plus is a completely different tyre though. They should be named differently as they are nothing a like. Unrealistic expectations I feel. No disrespect intended.


Yes and no. The supreme is sold as having almost equivalent puncture protection at a fraction of the weight. Both of my supremes have had to retired long before the rubber itself was worn. I was not expecting 25,000km as this was more a test of whether it made commuting easier/faster with minimal loss of puncture protection.
The tread pattern on the 5,000km supreme is not even half gone, but the tyre is now unusable due to the deformation.

ironically, on my ride this morning with two new marathon plus tyres, the ride felt smoother and was 1km/h faster on the avg speed. Not really scientific, but essentially the supremes made no difference at all to my commute times.

Whats your average commuting speed, disregarding stops?
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby queequeg » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:48 am

singlespeedscott wrote:
queequeg wrote:ironically, on my ride this morning with two new marathon plus tyres, the ride felt smoother and was 1km/h faster on the avg speed. Not really scientific, but essentially the supremes made no difference at all to my commute times.

Whats your average commuting speed, disregarding stops?


Anywhere from 23 to 28km/h on the way in, and up to 33km/h on the way home (on my commuter bike)
However, a typical avg speed when "just riding" is 25km/h. This morning was 26km/h, which is not really significant enough to say the tyres made any real difference.
My 2014 combined avg is 25.15km/h (5110km in 203:42:58).
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby rkelsen » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:02 am

Drizt wrote:Unrealistic expectations I feel.

Why? Expecting more than 5,000km from a 23mm slick tyre is unrealistic, but that's not exactly what we're talking about here.

I don't think 25,000km is too much to ask from a good front tyre. I had a 28mm Continental Contact on my commuter for more than 2 years. Almost made it to 20,000km before the cotton started showing. It never punctured.

Currently running 35mm SMPs. Keen to see how long I can make them last. They've been on there for 6 months already, and the tread on the front one still looks new.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby Drizt » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:10 am

Marathon supreme are more a performance tyre. It is closer to a continental 4 seasons tyre than it is the the marathon pluses. Check the weight differences and the sheer bulk of the tyres. Got to compare apples with apples.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby jasonc » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:44 am

my front marathon plus is up to 18449.75kms
the rears have lasted:
8267.98kms
6,438kms
current rear has 3,744kms
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby queequeg » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:18 pm

Drizt wrote:Marathon supreme are more a performance tyre. It is closer to a continental 4 seasons tyre than it is the the marathon pluses. Check the weight differences and the sheer bulk of the tyres. Got to compare apples with apples.


I have only been running them on the front wheel. 700x28c. This was entirely an experiment to see if a lighter tyre could give better performance for commuting. Answer, it can't (for me) as I have had two premature failures of the tyres. The first one died at 900km and still had the little rubber tags hanging off it. The 5000km tyre still had enough rubber to go at least another 5000km.
At $58 each compared to $34 each for the SMP (28mm), they don't perform that well to justify the extra cost.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby rangersac » Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:28 pm

Well my Vittoria Randonneur experiment is officially over, at least for the rear wheel. Barely got 3000km out of the tyre, and the puncture resistance has all but gone. Back to the mighty SMP on the back, but I'll keep a Randonneur on the front as it grips better in the wet than an SMP and still looks pretty fresh.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby wgc138 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:07 pm

Had good results with refuse until a piece of glass made a small hole puncturing my tubes on the way back home. Somehow and someway, a lot of people like to smash their beer bottles on the streets of gold coast.... :roll:

I'll probably use it for the trainer with a boot. With that experience I try to inspect my tires a bit more closely and also will be trialling out SMP on the kona jake once its assembled and original tyres give out.

For pure weight, refuse is ideal as its not too heavy especially in comparison with SMP.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby Espresso_ » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:25 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:I just use wider tyres and run lower pressures. If I get a puncture its no biggy. It only takes 5min to get back underway. Life's to short to ride crap tyres.


I've arrived at the same conclusion. Life is too short and good tyres are SO much better than puncture proof tyres that they make cycling much more enjoyable.

These days I just run wide tyres with supple construction and sod everything else. My bikes fly along, the ride is more pleasant, I'm faster and happier.

Actually, since moving away from any form of real puncture resistance at all I've only had one fl@t and that healed itself without even stopping (road tubeless). But for every other pedal stroke I'm better off.

To be fair, I'm not a commuter or a racer or a tourer of faraway lands and it's rarely the case that I'm in any way put out by being a few mins late on any given ride.

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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby MattyK » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:15 pm

Still loving my Schwalbe Marathon Supremes after 1.5 years and ~6000 km. Zero punctures. Front looks great. Rear is maybe half worn through the tread depth. Picked a couple of pieces of glass out of the rear the other week - didn't make it past the breaker belt; I hardly ever inspect them otherwise.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby warthog1 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:38 pm

2600km on my 25c marathon green guard and the green layer is starting to show in a number of places in the middle of the tyre.
My commute has quite a bit of climbing, seated and standing, that is pretty hard on the tyre. Still expected a bit better though, even if the road is all coarse chip seal.
Going to throw on a 25c SMP that is squared off and smooth after about 3k km but still has a bit of life in it.
The green guard rolls and grips a bit better, but the SMP lasts longer. Both have been puncture free.
Next I'm going to try a durano plus on the rear. The durano plus on the front still has the centre moulding line visible (just) after 2850km
Limited to 25c due to guard clearance, thats ok though, its wide enough for my liking
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:25 pm

2600km is pretty ordinary.
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby Lukeyboy » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:39 pm

singlespeedscott wrote:2600km is pretty ordinary.


I got ~1800km out of a Vittoria Corsa Evo and they are.... not exactly what you would call a commuting tyre :P
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Re: Best tyres for commuting?

Postby MattyK » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:44 pm

Yeah 2600 is terrible out of a Marathon. My last ones got about 10000 on the rear.
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