Why did you quote me and not him? I wasn't the first to mention it.Max wrote:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO! Please don't turn this into a "steel is real" thread.. we already have one of those (actually, many)!

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Postby Nobody » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:20 am
Why did you quote me and not him? I wasn't the first to mention it.Max wrote:No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO! Please don't turn this into a "steel is real" thread.. we already have one of those (actually, many)!
Postby MattyK » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:44 pm
Max wrote: Hey, I checked out the links that MattyK sent through. I couldn't quite tell if it has pannier mounts at the back. Does anyone know?
Max
Postby MattyK » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:19 pm
Postby TailWind » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:28 pm
MattyK wrote:Looks like Scott are in the game too:
http://www.bikerumor.com/2011/08/22/201 ... more-34435
http://www.scott-sports.com/gb_en/produ ... 013/221820
Very similar but with the 8-speed Alfine and the older Gates belt (not the Centre Track)
Postby Crawf » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:38 pm
Postby MattyK » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:40 pm
TailWind wrote:The bike was on display at Ausbike as well - liked the bike, but lamented the lack of the newer tech, i.e. Gates Carbon CenterTrack and Alfine 11.
Hope they are considering an upgrade - would definitely make my potential next commuter list...
Postby Nobody » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:30 pm
Good, I'll be interested to know how far you actually get and if you need any cog replacement after a belt change. Also how much is a new belt?Crawf wrote:Funny how I'm nearing 7000km on my belt with barely a mark on the teeth. The 5000km claim is outright BS.
I wouldn't be so stuck up on the centretrack or no centretrack, it'll still be a sweet ride.
Postby landscapecadmonkey » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:48 pm
Nobody wrote:Optimistic. The hub itself is about $900 and belt drive setup is about $400. You could be waiting a while.
Postby Comedian » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:57 pm
Cruiserman wrote:Wouldnt waste the bandwidth it is Al and we all know you only ride steel - so until you move into the 20th century it is technologically out of your league.
Postby Eberbachl » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:59 pm
Postby find_bruce » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:24 am
Comedian wrote:Funny thing is... I'll hang out until they do a carbon version.
Postby CommuRider » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:37 am
Postby rkelsen » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:50 am
Nobody wrote:5000 Km
Postby Cruiserman » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:49 am
Comedian wrote:Cruiserman wrote:Wouldnt waste the bandwidth it is Al and we all know you only ride steel - so until you move into the 20th century it is technologically out of your league.
Funny thing is... I'll hang out until they do a carbon version.
Postby Cruiserman » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:55 am
rkelsen wrote:Nobody wrote:5000 Km
Belt life is often quoted as being in the range of "hundreds of thousands of km."
Put it this way: How long does a cam belt in a car last?
Postby Comedian » Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:56 pm
Cruiserman wrote:rkelsen wrote:Nobody wrote:5000 Km
Belt life is often quoted as being in the range of "hundreds of thousands of km."
Put it this way: How long does a cam belt in a car last?
80 - 120k klms you hope otherwise the cost of replacing it will be multiplied by many times to replace bent valves, damaged pistons as well as a machining of the head, disassembly and reassembly etc. Possibly also the life of a cam belt would be worse than the life of a belt drive for a bike. Oil contamination, startup and shutdown stresses convoluted belt path, heat, coolant spillage, the list goes on. So 5k out of a bike belt and I would be going back to the manufacturer and asking WT?.
Postby Nobody » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:02 pm
Where have I specifically said that? Everyone has freedom of choice and opinion.Cruiserman wrote:Even funnier is that the comment was aimed at our Steel is real and you shouldnt ride anything else forumite.
Postby Nobody » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:05 pm
90-100,000Km for a cam belt typically these days. But that doesn't answer the question of how long a bike one lasts. Got any references on how long a Gates bike belt is supposed to last?rkelsen wrote:Nobody wrote:5000 Km
Belt life is often quoted as being in the range of "hundreds of thousands of km."
Put it this way: How long does a cam belt in a car last?
Postby CommuRider » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:18 pm
What is the life of the system?
In laboratory testing, the Carbon Drive System lasts more than twice the life of chain. Chains are often replaced due to stretch and wear rather than actual failure. The Carbon Drive belt does not stretch, so the smooth running performance remains consistent throughout its life. Abrasive environments can accelerate wear of all bike components. For maximum durability, rinse off your belt drive after sandy / gritty ride.
Postby Nobody » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:25 pm
Thanks CR.CommuRider wrote:What is the life of the system?
In laboratory testing, the Carbon Drive System lasts more than twice the life of chain. Chains are often replaced due to stretch and wear rather than actual failure. The Carbon Drive belt does not stretch, so the smooth running performance remains consistent throughout its life. Abrasive environments can accelerate wear of all bike components. For maximum durability, rinse off your belt drive after sandy / gritty ride.
http://www.carbondrivesystems.com/support.php?lang=us
The thing is, how many people here use belt drives? I only know of one. As it's a fairly new thing and uncommon, there isn't a big enough sample to do a proper comparison on wear and tear on belt drives v. chains. Maybe 3 to 5 years down the track when more of us have a belt drive bike to make an adequate comparison.
Postby CommuRider » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:29 pm
Nobody wrote:If they last twice as long but cost four times as much, it won't be economics that drives the change to this system.
What is the weight of the Carbon Drive system?
Weights will vary slightly depending on the sizes of the sprockets and length of the belt. For example, a Carbon Drive system setup similar to a chain driven 32/19 single speed ratio weighs:
46 tooth sprocket - 84g
28 tooth sprocket - 74g
122 tooth belt - 82g
TOTAL - 240g
Postby CommuRider » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:47 pm
So what does a round-the-world record bike look like? Well, a bit dusty and with some odd-looking appendages, but the Travelmaster has seen off its 18,000 miles without major incident. The belt only needed to be changed once during the whole trip, in Perth, and James was really happy with the performance of the drivetrain. The 14-speed Rohloff hub gives a gearing range equivalent to a triple chainset – over 500% – and it doesn't require any lubrication. Getting the belt properly aligned (it's much more critical than with a chain) and tensioned (it requires much more tension to work efficiently) are the main issues, but given that we're seeing plenty of the belts coming through onto production machines now it seems that many manufacturers, Santos included, think the benefits for certain applications outweigh the problems.
Postby Nobody » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:31 pm
So I was wrong. That's good to know. Thanks CR.CommuRider wrote:This from 2009
http://road.cc/content/news/10168-cycle ... aking-bikeSo what does a round-the-world record bike look like? Well, a bit dusty and with some odd-looking appendages, but the Travelmaster has seen off its 18,000 miles without major incident. The belt only needed to be changed once during the whole trip, in Perth, and James was really happy with the performance of the drivetrain. The 14-speed Rohloff hub gives a gearing range equivalent to a triple chainset – over 500% – and it doesn't require any lubrication. Getting the belt properly aligned (it's much more critical than with a chain) and tensioned (it requires much more tension to work efficiently) are the main issues, but given that we're seeing plenty of the belts coming through onto production machines now it seems that many manufacturers, Santos included, think the benefits for certain applications outweigh the problems.
Postby CommuRider » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:37 pm
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