Bikes on Trains

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Bikes on Trains

Postby fergy1987 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:34 am

Hi everyone,

I am looking at starting to commute to work in the city, however the ride from home is just that little bit too far and a tad inaccessible for my confidence so I was wanting to catch the train half way with the bike and ride the remaining distance to the city (Brisbane)

The mornings I cant see any issues because I will leave early enough to beat the peak hour, however coming home will be right in the middle of peak hour and a bike on a train is surely going to p1ss a lot of people off at that time.

Im hoping to get home at a reasonable hour so don't really want wait until peak hour is finished at night because its still a 30min train ride.

Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for taking a bike on a train during those busier periods or suggestions as to best place to be on the train?

On the weekends I usually just get on early and park the bike in the disabled area because the train is usually empty its not really an issue. Obviously moving if someone with a disability enters the train, I'm not that much of a jerk :-)

Cheers for the help everyone!

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby RonK » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:03 am

You may find this difficult Fergy. Bike are not permitted on trains during peak hours.

You may get away with boarding at an unmanned suburban station but in the city the platform staff will likely prevent you from boarding.

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby fergy1987 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:36 am

hmm, definitely seems like its going to be difficult. Was going to ride to Toowong or Indooroopilly and try and catch it home from there. But know from catching the train, its pretty busy there also. Takes a while for people to start getting off the train.

Might just have to train more and just ride the whole distance.

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby NGtim » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:54 am

Just have strava on for some motivation :) Watch as the KM's grow and rub it in peoples faces at the end of the year!

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby eldavo » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:56 am

Around the world people use folding bikes to use trains, the link Ron gave gives the OK conditions for folding bikes.

If you want independence from the train, try the route in the weekend you may be surprised 20km is as easy as 10km depending on the terrain if you pace yourself.

If your riding route is more desirable than the train journey, electric assisted full size or folding bicycle may be an option as well.

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby Eddie J » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:35 pm

Generally the last carriage of each train is where the wheelchair sections are. A bike fits in well against the railing, and can easily be secured with the helmet. In this position, no one is hindered at all.

Being close to the door and in the last carriage, it will be the least crowded spot. But when I hop on, there are sod all people on the train.

I travel towards the CBD in the afternoon and get off the train at Roma St Station at about 6pm. There are usually quite a few getting off, but with patience and smiles, nobody is put out. Even though I'm travelling to the CBD in the afternoon, travelling through the CBD isn't permitted.

Depending on where you live, find out which station has a significant drop off in crowds and join there. The cycle way close to that line is pretty good I thought.

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby Eddie J » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:27 am

Oops... zombie post.

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby Sirrus » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:48 pm

In the evening is is possible to ride from the city to an out suburb and then catch the train the rest of the way home?

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby Thoglette » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:17 pm

Out in the real world, people ride to the station and leave the bike there. It's not unusual to have a bike at either end.

Not sure if BNE is in the real world or not. Folding bike IN A BAG is doable, but QLD rail has weird rules about luggage.

WA is even better - the four train lines (metro, Bunbury, Avon and Kal) each had(!) different rules about what could and could not be brought on board. I remember the Bunbury route banned "tools" among other things. It seems a bit less byzantine now but there's still variation from route to route (no surfboard and only two folding bikes if you're going to Kal, but no golf clubs the other country trains).

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:12 pm

I dealt with the Public Transport Authority many years ago to allow unicycles access all hours. This was contrary to everywhere else in the world (still is) but Public Transport Authority (PTA) were still willing to entertain my suggestions. Google unicycles Transperth and you will see that they did come to the party.

Perhaps with bikes someone may care to try for a less restrictive policy. I think it would be unlikley to change but if no-one takes up the cudgel than "unlikely to change" remains "will never change". And perhaps with some good suggestions and negotiations the three hour no-go limit could be reduced under some conditions. I'd suggest involving Bicycling WA as well as the government agency on bikes (whose title escapes me) along with the PTA.. Which means that you will have satisfy a few more parties than I had to.

The obvious issues with a bike on a train during peak hour are:
  • Space
  • Ability to get on and off withoug unduly affecting the time the train has to hang about at the station (a function of the first of course)

These are reasonable objections which the cycle-unfriendly policies address.

However there is a further issue that the WA Department of Transport have as well. In a crowded space fellow passsengers wi ll wind up wearing some of your chain oil, brake pad dust etc. This is an issue even when there are only a few standing passengers.

Perhaps a bike having a cover down to the bottom of the chain? I expect that there is no such products on the market but...
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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby Cheesewheel » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:20 pm

It could be an idea not to buy a bianchi if you are planning to include using a train as part of your commute :wink:
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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby Thoglette » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:11 pm

ColinOldnCranky wrote:Perhaps a bike having a cover down to the bottom of the chain? I expect that there is no such products on the market but...

It's called a "rinko-bukhuro". If you want to put your bike on a train in Japan, this is how you do it.

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Note that this usually requires removing both wheels; forks and handle bars to get inside the size restrictions. There are bigger bags out there that require less decomposition.

See here or here or the thread here.

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby ekib » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:16 pm

I know its a little bit off topic, but I can't help comparing train restrictions with the use of private motor vehicles on our roads.
So you can't take a bicycle on a crowded peak hour train. :(
Compare that to the road system:

I want to drive my Toyota Landcruiser which is 5 metres long, 2 metres wide, weighs about 2.7 tonnes, carrying only the driver on the most congested roads during the peak congestion times in my capital city......... yes of course! no worries mate! :)

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:39 pm

Thoglette wrote:
ColinOldnCranky wrote:Perhaps a bike having a cover down to the bottom of the chain? I expect that there is no such products on the market but...

It's called a "rinko-bukhuro". If you want to put your bike on a train in Japan, this is how you do it.

Image(Compass Cycles)
Note that this usually requires removing both wheels; forks and handle bars to get inside the size restrictions. There are bigger bags out there that require less decomposition.

See here or here or the thread here.

There's a whole eco system of gear to support speedy dissassembley and reconstruction: headsets; pedals and fenders


I was thinking something more akin to a bike pancho with slits or openings at the handle bars and top tube or seat so that it could still be wheeled on and off. As I said I expect that every rider would have to make their own. Though if Transperth or whoever allowed priveleges then someone would quickly start marketing something appropriate.
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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby Thoglette » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:44 pm

Looking at ebay there's bags from about $25 upwards. search "bag (transport, travel)" in bicycles
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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby ChrisR24 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:44 pm

The other way to approach this is to get an e-bike. You'll be able to ride longer distances and at higher average speeds. It might mean a distance that you thought you could not do on a normal bike becomes attainable on an e-bike.

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Re: Bikes on Trains

Postby AndreB1972 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:40 pm

Some stations have bike boxes / bike cages. I had the same idea as yours when I started commuting... cycled to the station, locked bike in a box, train to city, then back in the afternoon and cycled home. Every few months I would change to a station closer to the city until I rode the whole way.

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