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Postby snedden9485 » Fri May 29, 2009 5:55 pm

Looking at getting a KK trainer. I have a older road machine on loan at the moment and it feels nice, so i think i will end up getting a KK as i think i may regret it if i skimp on a trainer. Main question is the difference between the road machine and the pro machine. I know the pro has the extra 12pound flywheel, which according to KK's website, is good for tempo efforts and long rides. Is there a noticable improvement in smoothness with heavier flywheel?

I mainly want the trainer to do interval efforts and some sprints ( not too many sprints though, mainly intervals). Will the smaller flywheel be sufficient?

Also, just looking at the flywheel on the one i have ATM, i think making a heavier flywheel wouldnt be a hard task for a fitter machinest. Is there anything different in the road machine that would prevent me building a heavier flywheel and retro fitting it?
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Postby Nobody » Fri May 29, 2009 6:39 pm

16mm bearings on the Pro, 12mm on the Road Machine IIRC.

The Pro not only has a bigger flywheel but at better bike mounting mechanism. This may be of little importance if you look after the threaded rod on the Road Machine.

I think I'd go the Pro if I could do it again, not that I find much to fault on the Road Machine. Alex said something about more road like inertia with the Pro being of some value.
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Postby snedden9485 » Fri May 29, 2009 7:04 pm

Nobody wrote:16mm bearings on the Pro, 12mm on the Road Machine IIRC.

The Pro not only has a bigger flywheel but at better bike mounting mechanism. This may be of little importance if you look after the threaded rod on the Road Machine.

I think I'd go the Pro if I could do it again, not that I find much to fault on the Road Machine. Alex said something about more road like inertia with the Pro being of some value.


I see. I still think you could make something like a 12 pound freewheel for the road machine that would give it the extra weight for the added interia effect. The pro would be nice, but i dont think i could justify spending the $750 or so. I have seen some good prices on the road machine on ebay from US. Around $299, have emailed re postage, which i would expect to be quite high.
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Postby Nobody » Fri May 29, 2009 7:38 pm

Assuming $50 AUD postage from anywhere, JensenUSA have a Pro which would be about $630 delivered. Is that $299 USD?
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Postby snedden9485 » Fri May 29, 2009 8:15 pm

Nope, postage from Jensen USA is $160 (US i assume)!!!!!

Thats the prob with buying these things from the states, they hammer you with postage! Think il end up buying one locally for the sake of warrantly etc. Sure i may save $80 - $100, but peace of mind is much better.
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Re: Kurt Kinetic trainers

Postby Andrew69 » Fri May 29, 2009 9:54 pm

Ive got the Pro and cant recommend it highly enough.
I must admit I got it by default. Wanted the RR, but they were out of stock. Was offered the pro at half the normal difference so jumped on it and very glad I did so now.
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Postby snedden9485 » Fri May 29, 2009 10:12 pm

Ok thanks Andrew. Have you ridden a road machine for a comparison?
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Postby Rockford » Fri May 29, 2009 11:34 pm

We should organise a group buy!! I'm looking for a trainer as well.
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Postby jamierk » Sat May 30, 2009 4:10 pm

Admitedly i've only had it for a month, but i seriously love my KK road machine. Not the pro but its beautifully smooth none the less, nice and quiet and easy to setup. Good price to boot. I can't comment on how it compares to the others in its price range as i havn't tried another, but this one does everything i need.

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Postby snedden9485 » Sat May 30, 2009 7:37 pm

jamierk wrote:Admitedly i've only had it for a month, but i seriously love my KK road machine. Not the pro but its beautifully smooth none the less, nice and quiet and easy to setup. Good price to boot. I can't comment on how it compares to the others in its price range as i havn't tried another, but this one does everything i need.

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Good to hear. They are a good thing. Where did you buy? Cycling inform?

overseas purchases are out, shipping from US has ranged from US $150 - US $350!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Kurt Kinetic trainers

Postby jamierk » Sun May 31, 2009 10:05 am

snedden9485 wrote:
jamierk wrote:Admitedly i've only had it for a month, but i seriously love my KK road machine. Not the pro but its beautifully smooth none the less, nice and quiet and easy to setup. Good price to boot. I can't comment on how it compares to the others in its price range as i havn't tried another, but this one does everything i need.

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Good to hear. They are a good thing. Where did you buy? Cycling inform?

overseas purchases are out, shipping from US has ranged from US $150 - US $350!!!!!!!!!!


Yes i got it in this shipment from cycling inform. They were very helpful and it was a simple and smooth transaction.
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Postby ni78ck » Sun May 31, 2009 11:52 am

are you putting the cervelo on it? :shock:
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Postby JV911 » Sun May 31, 2009 12:46 pm

snedden9485 wrote:shipping from US has ranged from US $150 - US $350!!!!!!!!!!


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Postby Nobody » Sun May 31, 2009 6:03 pm

Can't seem to find any online in the UK. Has anyone found one?
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Postby snedden9485 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:28 am

ni78ck wrote:are you putting the cervelo on it? :shock:


Generally the spesh, but the velo is in it ATM as my spesh is in the shop. Mounting system is good, so not worried about any issues. Plus the velo is a strong frame 8)
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Postby snedden9485 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:28 am

JV911 wrote:
snedden9485 wrote:shipping from US has ranged from US $150 - US $350!!!!!!!!!!


:shock:

tried the UK?


Nope havent found any in UK
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Re: Kurt Kinetic trainers

Postby Andrew69 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:52 am

snedden9485 wrote:Ok thanks Andrew. Have you ridden a road machine for a comparison?

I cant say that I have.

If you guys are looking to do a group buy, contact Ben at Pedals Plus Monavale on (02)99796544
They currently have the RR's on special for $594.15 and Imsure he could do something for you guys with a group buy.

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Postby Rockford » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:46 pm

Andrew69 wrote:
snedden9485 wrote:Ok thanks Andrew. Have you ridden a road machine for a comparison?

I cant say that I have.

If you guys are looking to do a group buy, contact Ben at Pedals Plus Monavale on (02)99796544
They currently have the RR's on special for $594.15 and Imsure he could do something for you guys with a group buy.

Usual disclaimer, nothing to do with the above business, just a happy customer and prefer to give my hard earned cash to a business that puts back into the sport (Ben sponsors several riders and triathletes)


Put me down for 1 in the group buy.
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Postby snedden9485 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:51 pm

Andrew69 wrote:
snedden9485 wrote:Ok thanks Andrew. Have you ridden a road machine for a comparison?

I cant say that I have.

If you guys are looking to do a group buy, contact Ben at Pedals Plus Monavale on (02)99796544
They currently have the RR's on special for $594.15 and Imsure he could do something for you guys with a group buy.

Usual disclaimer, nothing to do with the above business, just a happy customer and prefer to give my hard earned cash to a business that puts back into the sport (Ben sponsors several riders and triathletes)


IS that the price for a road machine?
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Postby Andrew69 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:15 am

Ha ha.I looked at the site just before I posted and he had the Road Machine at that price.
Just looked again now to post a link and the price has changed back!

Maybe give Ben a call?

Either way shipping is dirt cheap at $9.95 Australia wide.
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Postby snedden9485 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:04 am

I ended up picking up a 2nd hand road machine from a mate. Got it at a good price too. Ended up getting the KK riser ring and the KK power computer thrown in with it. Anyone used the KK power meter? SHould be ok to do some basic power training. Im not sure how accurate it is, but i have heard it gives a good reference for training with some numbers.
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Postby Andrew69 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:33 pm

I just set up the KK computer on my wifes bike and the numbers were off by a fair bit (reading high) compared to my PT.
Figured out some new factors for the power equation in the computer and its with 1 or 2 watts of my PT now (up to about twice her FTP)

But that has got me thinking that maybe my PT is reading off, so I am going to go back and do a stomp test on my PT to make sure it is accurate. Would be nice if Im really making 50+ watts more than I think :mrgreen:

The only reason I bothered to stuff around with it is that she has done her FTP test using my PT, so this way I can have her work at the correct power levels.
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Postby snedden9485 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:34 pm

Andrew69 wrote:I just set up the KK computer on my wifes bike and the numbers were off by a fair bit (reading high) compared to my PT.
Figured out some new factors for the power equation in the computer and its with 1 or 2 watts of my PT now (up to about twice her FTP)

But that has got me thinking that maybe my PT is reading off, so I am going to go back and do a stomp test on my PT to make sure it is accurate. Would be nice if Im really making 50+ watts more than I think :mrgreen:

The only reason I bothered to stuff around with it is that she has done her FTP test using my PT, so this way I can have her work at the correct power levels.


Yeah i wonder what my one is like. I dont care if its not super accurate, im using for more of a reference point for training really.
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Re: Kurt Kinetic trainers

Postby Andrew69 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:57 pm

snedden9485 wrote:Yeah i wonder what my one is like. I dont care if its not super accurate, im using for more of a reference point for training really.

As long as it is repeatable, I dont think the actual number really matters.
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Postby snedden9485 » Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:07 pm

Andrew69 wrote:
snedden9485 wrote:Yeah i wonder what my one is like. I dont care if its not super accurate, im using for more of a reference point for training really.

As long as it is repeatable, I dont think the actual number really matters.


How will i know if my one is out?

So it will calculate power (my KK power meter) regardless of what gear i am in and what speed i am pedalling at?
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