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Postby snedden9485 » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:23 pm
He is also suggesting possibly using creatine, only around 3grams per day and see how it goes for a month. The protein he is recommending is very high in BCAA's.
Any advice re this? I know alot of guys use the protein, but i havent heard much of creatine for cycling etc, mainly for weight training.
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Re: Supplements
Postby lemmiwinks » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:58 pm
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Postby snedden9485 » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:50 pm
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Re: Supplements
Postby TheSkyMovesSideways » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:52 pm
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... tid=155510
(And if you really want to scare yourself, try putting a dollar value on that extra 2kg of weight by figuring out how much it'd cost for a bike that's 2kg lighter!)
As for protein, I'm of the opinion that the only difference between the cheap stuff and the expensive stuff is marketing. I'd just find one that tastes good and is reasonably priced, and if you want carbs with it, add some sustagen.
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Re: Supplements
Postby tripstobaltimore » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:27 pm
It may be worthwhile trying it out over a course of time, seeing if you do see a difference (that's not just placebo!).
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Postby lemmiwinks » Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:05 pm
IIRC the studies I read indicated about 7 seconds of benefit. That's probably longer than my "sprints" last for but I decided it wasn't worth the effortsnedden9485 wrote:He seemed to think it may be beneficial for sprinting....
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Re: Supplements
Postby Wayfarer » Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:40 pm
the difference you dont notice may well be in your recovery.tripstobaltimore wrote:I'm starting to go off the protein post ride. It's pretty common knowledge that (unless you're a strict vegetarian) you get enough protein from your regular diet. I haven't been taking any protein post ride recently (I used to have a shake after a longer or harder workout) and I haven't had any noticeable difference.
It may be worthwhile trying it out over a course of time, seeing if you do see a difference (that's not just placebo!).
the only way you'll adapt to training stresses is if you consume simple carbohydrates (sugar) immediately after exercise. Creatine seems like a silly idea..
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Re: Supplements
Postby tripstobaltimore » Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:26 pm
I don't really understand what you are saying... I haven't noticed any difference in my recovery.Wayfarer wrote:the difference you dont notice may well be in your recovery.tripstobaltimore wrote:I'm starting to go off the protein post ride. It's pretty common knowledge that (unless you're a strict vegetarian) you get enough protein from your regular diet. I haven't been taking any protein post ride recently (I used to have a shake after a longer or harder workout) and I haven't had any noticeable difference.
It may be worthwhile trying it out over a course of time, seeing if you do see a difference (that's not just placebo!).
the only way you'll adapt to training stresses is if you consume simple carbohydrates (sugar) immediately after exercise. Creatine seems like a silly idea..
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Re: Supplements
Postby Burt 'Pigeon Racer' Jones » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:08 pm
I'm drinking something right now that has a lot of these ingredients in it.snedden9485 wrote:He is recommending me a recovery drink with equal parts of Whey protein isolate, maltodextrin and dextrose. This should give me a decent hit of protein and carbs following rides to help with recovery.
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Postby tripstobaltimore » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:29 pm
ah ok I get you know. So maybe I should get back on itWayfarer wrote:well basically, proteins which help in recovery are best absorbed just after exercise its most probably not even a noticable difference, but if it keeps me riding for the next thirty years, and safe from microtrauma, then i'm there..
so expensive though.
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Re: Supplements
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Re: Supplements
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Re: Supplements
Postby snedden9485 » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:48 pm
You seem pretty wise TLL, do you use any supplements in your training?toolonglegs wrote:no steak for me...does a vegie patie count ...smash rebuild resmash recover dot dot dot...
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Re: Supplements
Postby tripstobaltimore » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:46 pm
Wayfarer wrote:do you fancy a good steak?
I'd be surprised if a steak was actually cheaper these days!!
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Re: Supplements
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Re: Supplements
Postby Wayfarer » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:04 pm
sometimes if you take in too much protein, that can happen.. you might even have felt cramps.snedden9485 wrote:Well here is something i have found after doing a hard ride yday (160 km (AT) 31 km.h on dead roads). I came home and had a half baked protein shake, just milk and a few raw eggs (iv run outa protein). Today i feel SORE. Normally i feel ok after a big ride if i get the protein and carbs into me, but i feel sore today, well more sore than normal. Not sure if its the protein or just a hard day
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Re: Supplements
Postby MattS77 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:07 am
snedden9485 wrote:I have been speaking to a supplement guy (he has degrees in that area etc, PhD i think). Anyway im looking at starting to use some supplements for my cycling. He is recommending me a recovery drink with equal parts of Whey protein isolate, maltodextrin and dextrose. This should give me a decent hit of protein and carbs following rides to help with recovery. I am training fairly hard, with around 5 days a week on the bike, with a fair amount of solid training. I do have a good diet with decent levels of veg etc.
He is also suggesting possibly using creatine, only around 3grams per day and see how it goes for a month. The protein he is recommending is very high in BCAA's.
Any advice re this? I know alot of guys use the protein, but i havent heard much of creatine for cycling etc, mainly for weight training.
Having a background in bodybuilding, the whey + maltodextrine and dextrose is your standard post work out drink after a weights session. Don't know how much you weigh but 30-40g of each is what you should be adding. Scull half the drink immediately after your session, rest for 15 minutes and then sip the rest for 45mins. This helps to make sure your body absorbs the most it can because taking 80g of the fastest absorbing carbs at once is too much for the body to absorb at once. Of course if you don't have time to taper it for 45mins...hell just drink it all like I do
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Re: Supplements
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Re: Supplements
Postby toolonglegs » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:59 pm
....oh no CERA is next.... .
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Re: Supplements
Postby Chuck » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:45 pm
toolonglegs wrote: ....oh no CERA is next.... .
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Re: Supplements
Postby twizzle » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:48 pm
What? Not trying Beetroot juice first?Chuck wrote:toolonglegs wrote: ....oh no CERA is next.... .
...real cyclists don't have squeaky chains...
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Re: Supplements
Postby toolonglegs » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:44 pm
twizzle wrote:What? Not trying Beetroot juice first?Chuck wrote:toolonglegs wrote: ....oh no CERA is next.... .
Nah...I eat beetroot most days anyway..so don't think it will do much extra.
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Re: Supplements
Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:09 pm
Good for lightening wallets I suspect.toolonglegs wrote:Does anyone use COQ-10?...i have been told to try a 400mg per day stack.Can't hurt so will give it a go.
....oh no CERA is next.... .
Classified by the AIS as a Group C Substance (little proof of benefit):
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Re: Supplements
Postby toolonglegs » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:29 pm
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Good for lightening wallets I suspect.toolonglegs wrote:Does anyone use COQ-10?...i have been told to try a 400mg per day stack.Can't hurt so will give it a go.
....oh no CERA is next.... .
Classified by the AIS as a Group C Substance (little proof of benefit):
http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition ... ifications
yeah i have tried it before as well without much luck...but talking to a guy who swears by it i will try one more time....400mg per day is probably 4 to 8 times more than i tried last time!.Can't hurt.
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