The foundations for successful riding
Good short article to read about power to weight etc about someone who really knows his stuff relating to Giro's big names...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sassi-t ... e-zoncolan
I read that and found it well put.
Especially the comments re seeing how 'his' guys were going, and how 'they' wouldn't dope as they would hurt him.
Wasn't aware that Rogers is now coached by him as well. Hopefully he does well in the TdF, as the results show he is improving. Just needs some team mates to help as well.
395W average for the climb from Basso Wonder what W Cadel did ?
I get the impression that Evans is heavier than Basso, right? Given this was a 10+% climb and the ITT will also be mountain climb, then with the same form, I can't see how Evans can claw time from Basso.
Bianchi, Ridley, Montague, GT, Garmin and All things Apple
Cadel needs to deal with Sastre and Basso at some stage, but IMO he's got every reason to be confident given his form. But for tonight's stage he'll be wanting to put time into Vino, as well as Arroyo and Porte. Nibali and others will be thinking the same thing of course...
The eventual winner is impossible to predict given the tough run home, but getting time on the remaining contenders who are not pure climbers is a key factor tonight.
I really find it hard to believe Basso is 70kgs at race weight...BMI of 20.9 is pretty high for a GT man?.
Weird tan line on the inside of his right arm!
His upper arm looks thinner then has wrist too, wouldnt wana punch him incase it snapped in half! (Just dont get Cadel annoyed though and that wont happen at least)
Also Basso is 183cm, cadel 173cm. This will affect their weights a fair bit
BMI is basically irrelevant for elite athletes because lean muscle tissue is heavier than fat
Thanks for the info...I will look out for those musclebound GC guys with high "athlete" BMI's .
Now if anyone see's real stats from todays TT post them...what is the bet none of the top 10 will let those out of the bag!.
Ignorance is bliss hey
Lean muscle may be heavier than fat, but I don't see how that makes BMI irrelevant.
The power to weight ratio is the most important factor in assessing who is good at climbing up hills, and there comes a point for every pro cyclist who wants to be good up hills where the additional power to be gained by a muscle mass increase is not worth the additional weight. Even allowing for individual differences, anecdotal evidence suggests that point for most pro cyclists is well below a BMI of ~21.
Observation suggests that most Grand Tour GC contenders are among the leanest athletes you will ever see, behind maybe only distance runners and female gymnasts. It's possible to do it in a slightly chunkier form (Indurain being the best example) but that's certainly the exception rather than the rule.
This article http://bmi.emedtv.com/bmi/bmi-for-athletes.html is not specifically talking about grand tour pro cyclists. When it says "In fact, a number of gold medal winning athletes at the Olympics would be considered obese based solely on their BMI." I take that to mean discus throwers or shot putters, maybe the heavyweight wrestlers, boxers and weightlifters, etc. Possibly even the odd track sprinter! There is absolutely no possibility of Olympic gold medal winning cyclists in the road disciplines having a BMI suggestive of obesity.
Ummm... Must be the "rest day effect".
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You are jumping to (wrong) conclusions and stereotyping here - it can include ANY athlete. This is a list of athletes who won gold in the Olympics and their BMI, according to BMI results they are all overweight or obese.
Shawn Crawford (USA) Sprinting (200m)
(Overweight: 177cm, 81kg, athlete BMI=26)
Mark Lewis-Francis (GB) Sprinting (100m Relay)
(Overweight: 183cm, 89kg, athlete BMI=26)
Matthew Pinsent (GB) Rowing (Coxless four)
(Overweight: 196cm, 108kg, athlete BMI=28)
James Cracknell (GB) Rowing (Coxless four)
(Overweight: 192cm, 100kg, athlete BMI=27)
Ed Coode (GB) Rowing (Coxless four)
(Overweight: 193cm, 96kg, athlete BMI=26)
Steve Williams (GB) Rowing (Coxless four)
(Overweight: 189cm, 96kg, athlete BMI=27)
David Cal (Spain) Canoeing (C-1 1000m)
(Overweight: 183cm, 91kg, athlete BMI=27)
Khadjimourat Gatsalov (Russia) Wrestling (84-96kg)
(Overweight: 180cm, 96kg, athlete BMI=30)
Artur Taymazov (Uzebekistan) Wrestling (96-120kg)
(Obese: 189cm, 112kg, athlete BMI=31)
Roman Sebrle (Czechoslovakia) Decathlon
(Overweight: 186cm, 88kg, athlete BMI=25)
Ryan Bayley (Austria) Cycling (Sprint)
(Overweight: 181cm, 84kg, athlete BMI=26)
Odlanier Solis Fonte (Cuba) Boxing (81-91kg)
(Overweight: 180cm, 91kg, athlete BMI=28)
Alexander Povetkin (Russia) Boxing (over 91kg)
(Overweight: 188cm, 91kg, athlete BMI=26)
Ihar Makarau (Belarus) Judo (90-100kg)
(Obese: 180cm, 100kg, athlete BMI=31)
Yuriy Bilonog (Ukraine) Shot put
(Obese: 200cm, 135kg, athlete BMI=34)
BMI should not be used alone for athletes...........other methods are taken into consideration. BMI alone is USELESS for elite athletes.
No its not high, here are some facts for you (more accurate than speculation) - the average BMI for riders in the 1997 TdF was 21.47
Full list is about a quarter of the way down http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/1998/feb98/feb6.html
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oh look you have not quoted one single GC rider in your list...track sprinter is as close as you got .Boxers / Wrestlers and Shotputters....
Name me the one rider in the last 10 years who completed the tour de france with a BMI over the normal range...and boy he struggled when the road went up.
The point is you are trying to convince me that if someone has an obese or above average BMI and they are an athlete then they may in fact have a low body fat % and a higher % of lean muscle...probably a high % of fast twitch muscle as well as that is heavier.Well I already knew that many years ago and never mentioned that Basso was obese.
My point is that BMI shows a relationship to your height / weight ratio...pure and simply it does because that is what it calculates.Wether you have a high amount of fat or mscle is irrelevant.It still tells you if someone is heavy for their height.
That list was in reply to Rogan - not you. I was replying to his comment about Olymic gold meadallists being deemed overweight by using BMI.
You seem to have missed (ignored) my last post, so here it is again for you:
You claim that Basso cant be 70kg as that would make his BMI too high to be a GC rider, have a look at the average BMI's for the 97 TdF.
Look at the stats - Basso is at the lower end of the spectrum for normal BMI for a cyclist, and there is one rider very close to being overweight according to your measuring stick.
My point is stop comparing pro cyclist's BMI's with a mortal persons BMI - compare apples with apples (compare Basso against other cyclists).
I have proved you wrong, a BMI of 20.9 is not high for a cyclist - here is your assumption again:
I said that I find it hard to believe that Basso is 70kgs at race weight...I didn't say he can't be,just that I didn't think he was that heavy.
I also never said anyone was over weight...I may have said they are heavy but that doesn't mean they are over weight.
I wasn't...but it seems you have now proved to me that I can because the average BMI for the 1997 tour being 21.47 is pretty much smack dab in the middle of healthy for a normal person 18.5 to 24.9.Actually out of all the riders only 2 are very slightly under healthy weight and none are over...even at 4% bf.
Pretty hard to prove me wrong when I am not stating a fact...that is the reason for the question mark...ie:I am asking one!.
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Apart from proving my point, is there something else I am supposed to be taking from this? BMI is not the gold standard for assessing athlete ability? For avoidance of doubt, I accept that.
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