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Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:45 pm
by sloth
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Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:34 pm
by foo on patrol
That's a good effort there Sloth. 8)

Foo

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:36 pm
by ldrcycles
Good stuff, the first 100k is a big milestone :D .

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:15 am
by Ross
I don't understand how average speeds on a ride can be used as a comparison tool (not knocking you, Sloth, just a general question)? Surely the terrain and weather conditions are different on most rides, even if the distance is the same, so I would think it hard to compare and therefore not accurate.

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:27 am
by foo on patrol
If you're doing the same rides, then you will know what your average speed is on each of those rides from previous attempts. Well that's how it was for me. :wink:

Foo

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:49 pm
by sloth
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Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:15 pm
by you cannot be sirrus
Good to hear of your success Sloth. I'm about to embark on the TCTP this week, New Competitor plan for me. I had my first year racing last year and had some success but I want more and being self employed and spending far too much time working the time crunched plan looks like it will suit my needs. Time will tell.

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:00 pm
by sloth
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Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:59 pm
by you cannot be sirrus
Will do Sloth, hope to do the field test Wednesday evening, work permitting, something to look forward to :twisted:

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:37 am
by g_dorazio
Sloth, what intervals are you completing to increase FTP...and how are you building?

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:11 am
by stinhambo
This sounds interesting

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:27 am
by you cannot be sirrus
I went out last night and did the 2 x 8minute time trials to establish my base HR for the intervals (173bpm) and planned the first two weeks training. I'll have to put that on hold for a couple of weeks with the TDU in Adalaide and a couple of 100klm+ charity rides I'll be riding way too much to fit it in.
What struck me was how much I'll have to back off for those first two weeks, they look real easy compared to what I'm doing now. The program does ramp up a bit after that and a mate of mine who did this last year tells me i will grow to hate power intervals. It worked for him so I'm hoping to see similar results. Time will tell.

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:19 pm
by g_dorazio
you cannot be sirrus wrote:I went out last night and did the 2 x 8minute time trials to establish my base HR for the intervals (173bpm) and planned the first two weeks training. I'll have to put that on hold for a couple of weeks with the TDU in Adalaide and a couple of 100klm+ charity rides I'll be riding way too much to fit it in.
What struck me was how much I'll have to back off for those first two weeks, they look real easy compared to what I'm doing now. The program does ramp up a bit after that and a mate of mine who did this last year tells me i will grow to hate power intervals. It worked for him so I'm hoping to see similar results. Time will tell.
Training with heart rate can be a little more difficult to establish a baseline, because of the inherent variability in heart rate (how much you ate, how much you slept, how much alcohol you consumed recently, the position of the moon etc etc)...I would ensure that you do a few sessions to average and establish your baseline so that you can pitch your intervals at the right level... :)

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:34 pm
by you cannot be sirrus
g_dorazio wrote:
you cannot be sirrus wrote:I went out last night and did the 2 x 8minute time trials to establish my base HR for the intervals (173bpm) and planned the first two weeks training. I'll have to put that on hold for a couple of weeks with the TDU in Adalaide and a couple of 100klm+ charity rides I'll be riding way too much to fit it in.
What struck me was how much I'll have to back off for those first two weeks, they look real easy compared to what I'm doing now. The program does ramp up a bit after that and a mate of mine who did this last year tells me i will grow to hate power intervals. It worked for him so I'm hoping to see similar results. Time will tell.
Training with heart rate can be a little more difficult to establish a baseline, because of the inherent variability in heart rate (how much you ate, how much you slept, how much alcohol you consumed recently, the position of the moon etc etc)...I would ensure that you do a few sessions to average and establish your baseline so that you can pitch your intervals at the right level... :)

Agreed. A power meter is on the wish list, just don't tell my missus :wink: . The HR during the test I did was pretty much what I expected based on readings over a long period of time including some hard efforts racing.

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:44 am
by toolonglegs
Slightly OT... but have not heard much comments from Carmichael over the last couple of months happenings.

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:09 am
by RonK
Perhaps he'll add a chapter on doping in the next edition.

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:28 pm
by sloth
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Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:32 pm
by sloth
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Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:07 am
by you cannot be sirrus
Into week 3 of the plan at the moment. I'm finding it hard to maintain the correct HR in some of the narrow bands expected ie 160-164bpm. I get to 164 and ease up slightly and it drops too low, put in a tad more effort and it goes too high, although i think I'm sticking to the principles of what I should be aiming for. I think it's difficult maintaining it die to undulations and gusty winds on my usual training route.
I've had to drop one or two of my usual rides with mates so I can fit the TCC plan into my schedule which is a pity, the plus side is it's giving me some motivation to stick with it and make sure I get out on the prescribed day(s) when I could be home watching MKR on the TV.
Started on power intervals last night, they are fun, NOT :shock:

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:12 pm
by Xplora
sloth wrote:
RonK wrote:Perhaps he'll add a chapter on doping in the next edition.
I expected this comment when I started the thread :D

Unfortunate association, but I don't think it devalues the basics of the plan he presents. I'd be surprised if there is a next edition now he's tainted :wink:
Drugs only make recovery faster, and gains stronger... they don't change the laws of human biology. The plan is still going to be solid... you just can't expect to win the TdF using it without some help. :roll:

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:36 pm
by toolonglegs
you cannot be sirrus wrote:I'm finding it hard to maintain the correct HR in some of the narrow bands expected ie 160-164bpm.
I'm not surprised :shock: ... and yet I am also not surprised that Carmichael would add something like that in there.

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:34 pm
by guyc
you cannot be sirrus wrote:I'm finding it hard to maintain the correct HR in some of the narrow bands expected ie 160-164bpm.
Much easier going by power - TrainerRoad with "virtual power" seems to work fine and is cheap

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:41 pm
by sloth
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Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:09 pm
by trailgumby
I found TTCC to be of extremely limited use, with poor results. It really sucked the enjoyment out of my sessions on the bike and gave me worse results than my usual plan, which is based on Mark Fenner's 100km mtb endurance race program, and is more in the Joe Friel school of periodization.

Personally, I think it belongs in the same section as the rest of The Armstrong Club books, in Fiction.

If anybody wants mine, it's theirs for the price of postage, or I can hand it to you in Sydney's CBD. PM me. Otherwise, I think I'll toss it in with the paper recycling.

Re: Time Crunched Plan Results

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:25 pm
by you cannot be sirrus
I'll reserve judgement until I've finished the plan TG but I reckon I was getting better results previously with my usual rides and group training stuff. It has helped in as much as it's kept me motivated to get out for every session and put in the hard yards but with one of my mates now kicking my butt in club races that motivation is there anyway without the plan.
I'll go back to chasing faster riders 2/3 times a week, that seemed to be giving me better results.
I think any plan is better than just riding around racking up kms, but this one seems a bit gimmicky, a bit like the lose 10kgs in 5 weeks diet books you see in the shops. :)