The foundations for successful riding
Are there any Kickr owners out there who can provide some feedback on the product as I'm looking at either buying one or a version of the TACX trainer that supports VR. If you use have a Kickr, do you use it with any riding software to simulate riding outdoors?
Thanks in advance.
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Avantia Giro 3.0 2012
My Journey to Triathlon - Focusing more on cycling (no time for anything else).
I have a Kickr. I don't have anything else to compare it to because it's the only trainer I've ever owned or used, but for what it's worth we think it's excellent.
The key feature for me is being able to track all my data in the same way that I could on the road, so heart-rate, cadence (both from Garmin sensors), and power (from the Kickr). to do this, I use the Kickr in one of two different ways:
1. Connected to my laptop, running TrainerRoad software. You need a laptop with the appropriate Bluetooth connection in order to connect the Kickr, and also a USB-ANT+ dongle to record data from things like the heart rate monitor and speed-cadence sensor. If all your sensors are Bluetooth or you don't need that data, you don't need the USB-ANT+ dongle.
TrainerRoad does cost money, but I find their workouts really good. There's a wide selection to choose from and once you've done an inital FTP test, you can take the number from that as your functional maximum and it scales all the other workouts against it. I like this better than having to simply guess at the level of effort I should be putting out for different phases of a workout, which is the alternative. You can also buy videos from somewhere like Sufferfest which then integrate into TrainerRoad. I've got one of those so sometimes set my laptop to display this on the TV, and in addition to the video you get a bar across the bottom of the screen with the data about what you're doing on the trainer (heart rate, power, cadence, time spent, etc)
2. The other way, when I don't want to bother with the laptop, is to just connect the Kickr to my Garmin, which also works just fine.
One trick overall with the Kickr: you do need some software to control the resistance in it. This can be the free software for iPhone or iPad, and I assume there's an Android version too. TrainerRoad can also do this. If you don't use software with it, it basically puts out very little or no resistance, so you end up spinning as fast as you can without feeling any strain from it (like riding down a hill while you're in the small ring - you just keep spinning out but not contributing anything to your progress).
Thanks for the reply. I'm 90% certain that I'm going to go ahead with the purchase of a Kikr. I like the idea of pairing a Kikr up with TrainerRoad and Sufferest as my appeal of the Tacx was being able to virtually ride different parts of the world.
Can I ask where you got yours from and how much it was?
I've owned a Computrainer for 10 years and it still works perfect and I love training with power and erg. I just got a Kickr. It's awesome. Wireless (Bluetooth or ANT+) is a huge improvement. Riding it with Sufferfest, or other video training programs is a blast and a great workout. TrainerRoad is the "goto" training program. I travel a lot in my car, and the Kickr is perfect for taking my training on the road.
The flexibility of running it on my iPhone or my computer is huge.
Have a Kickr and it is the only trainer I'm willing to actually use, as I hate the feeling of most other trainers I've tried.
The Kickr has a few different modes, so you can set it up to emulate riding up (or down) a hill of various gradients, into a headwind or just set it to a set power value and go.
I mostly use it with Tranierroad workouts where the laptop will vary the power output required at various stages throughout the session. For power testing, I change mode and just try to follow the trainerroad power profile until the testing segments, then change gears and give it everything.
Has very high resistance levels and a good feel, so you can do full sprint training on it. I've also significantly smoothed my pedal stroke since I've started using it.
Buy locally as I doubt u will get any cheaper than $1399 ATM given their popularity...
Picked mine up through the LBS, they're not keeping them in stock due to the low markup on the RRP, but were happy enough to order one in. FE Sports are now the distributor, so any shop selling Garmins should be able to get one in. Mine showed up a week after the order was placed, but that was back a few months ago.
I see the KICKR is now also available on the Australian Apple Store, free shipping and same RRP. Could be an option if you can't find one from anywhere else.
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I recently published an App to the App Store for running the KICKR through some intervals. Hurts Ergo is pretty basic, but you can't complain about the price . More details on the Hurts Development website, or you could just jump straight into the app itself (iTunes link: Hurts Ergo).
That's awesome lock!
Thanks. First time I've done anything for an iOS/Apple device, wanted something simple to get familiar with the development environment. Was only meant to be a few weekends work, but ended up taking somewhat longer. Apple threw a bit of a curve ball when they requested I send the trainer to them for testing, but we were able to work around that. There's still a few little things I need to tidy up; spindown calibration, and switching to resistance mode at the end of each workout come to mind.
I'd really like to do a race simulator/game, including multiplayer and NPCs (Non-Player Characters). The physics of bike racing are pretty well researched; drafting, climbing, wind effects have all been written up in a number of papers. To some extent so has the capability of riders themselves, through power curves, fatigue models, oxygen deficit and so on. But what really gets me is how you'd make a NPC smart enough to be fun to race against.
If u wrote into your app the facility to race riders remotely in real time u would make a killing..
Ie: I want to race u, on a known course (for example col du galibier) and we are in different states... We sit on our bikes, wait for the start and race each other up the climb with our positions marked on the app, or projected to a TV, like I do with an Apple TV.
This is where I find Kinomap great, as there are imaginary riders your competing against. The downfall with kinomap is the lack of decent rolling courses to choose from. Not everyone wants to smash themselves on a Col du xxxx or Alpe d'Huez everyday!
I bought a kickr a couple of months back... Just awesome.
The erg mode is unique and awesome for FTP training.
It's devastating when used with sufferfest videos.
Once you can climb hills on a bike it's all downhill.
Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day.
Got any vids of your setup (in use or not)?
Good job! The app looks very good.
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