healthy weight (BMI)
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healthy weight (BMI)
Postby gtfpv cycler » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:09 pm
i'm approx 167 cm tall and weigh 80kg , i was 84.5 in February .I was feeling very unfit at 85 kg , and looking a little fat . some would say i didnt look fat , but just have a stomach . any how now at 80 kg after 2 months of rigorous training and dieting , i think i look quit normal now , and am much fitter , my goal weight is 75kg , which being there before i will look quite thin .
now looking at the bmi calc . at 85 i was over 30 and in the OBESE catagory , which says to see a doctor to lose weight . now at 80 i am in the high overweight catagory .
75kg will see me 26.9 still overweight in an unhealthy category . infact to get into a healthy weight range of 20 to 25 , i need to get to between 56-68kg OOOOOO M M M M G G G G G !!!!!! AT 69 KG I WILL BE A GAUNT SCARECROW .
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby sogood » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:25 pm
Keep riding and eat less!
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby gtfpv cycler » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:37 pm
thanks mate . i'm not going to disagree with you , and i plan to lose more now than the 75 kg . i think i'll look at 72 .sogood wrote:You've just shown yourself how self-image can be very subjective. This is exactly the opposite of those suffering from anorexia nervosa who sees themselves fat. Unfortunately, for 167cm at 80kg, yes you are seriously obese.
Keep riding and eat less!
seriously obese !!!! i should take a photo of myself and post it here .
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby apsilon » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:04 pm
Personally I always fall into the "overweight" category. For me to get down to "normal" I'd either have to lose significant muscle mass or amputate at least one leg.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby sogood » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:37 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby Comedian » Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:14 pm
+1 Absolutely! Apart from the exception for asians they are a great guide and the ranges they give are large enough to encompass all body types. So they are only disputed by people carrying too much weight.sogood wrote:BMI is a valuable indicator for the health of a population. It's dangerous to generally discredit BMI to the populace and allow people to ignore their high BMI. It'll be a serious dis-service. Remember, too much fat will adversely affect longevity while less muscle won't.
Mate I'm 20cm taller than you, and I reckoned I looked pretty normal. People would look at me and say he could loose a few kg but I looked very normal for our population. I was thinner than many. That was at 107.5 - or a BMI of 30.7 which is just in "obese class 1". There are another 2 categories of obese, with the last one being "biggest looser" material. I woz a beginner fatty!gtfpv cycler wrote:Just looked up my BMI ( body mass index ) online on a calculator . only to be rudely shocked .
i'm approx 167 cm tall and weigh 80kg , i was 84.5 in February .I was feeling very unfit at 85 kg , and looking a little fat . some would say i didnt look fat , but just have a stomach . any how now at 80 kg after 2 months of rigorous training and dieting , i think i look quit normal now , and am much fitter , my goal weight is 75kg , which being there before i will look quite thin .
now looking at the bmi calc . at 85 i was over 30 and in the OBESE catagory , which says to see a doctor to lose weight . now at 80 i am in the high overweight catagory .
75kg will see me 26.9 still overweight in an unhealthy category . infact to get into a healthy weight range of 20 to 25 , i need to get to between 56-68kg OOOOOO M M M M G G G G G !!!!!! AT 69 KG I WILL BE A GAUNT SCARECROW .
After one year of cycling (pretty well to the day) I am now 81kg (BMI 23.1). This is the lightest I have been in my adult life! What's more as I slowly lost weight I eventually got to the mid 90's I thought there was no way I was going to get under 90. And slowly I move downwards and ponder the 80kg mark! I'm a big build and I really can't see me ever getting below about 75kg (BMI21.4) but then that's what the BMI is - a healthy body weight range for people of all different builds.
Now I only look gaunt if you compare my fat self to my now self. I reckon if you met me for the first time you'd just say he looks fit. You loose weight from everywhere but no where. You just steadily get lighter from everywhere.
IMHO I reckon that if you get to 65 you'll be like me. You'll think I'm close but I've got a couple more KG I could loose. It's not about being a scarecrow it's about being healthy.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby gtfpv cycler » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:26 pm
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby Toolish » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:28 pm
As you lose weight you realise hoe much extra you are actually carrying I think.
I wll say for strength athletes BMI is a crock of !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !!. A lot of AFL players are classed as overweight or obese because of the muscle they carry. For the average person BMI seems a pretty good guideline.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby gtfpv cycler » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:38 pm
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby sogood » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:21 am
Absolutely! Just look at the perception of female beauty through the ages, body habitus/perceived norm varies significantly.sblack wrote:There are people who say I look too thin now but I think it's because we are an overweight society where being a healthy weight is now abnormal and people really don't know what healthy looks like anymore.
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby simonn » Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:19 am
True, Mike Tyson at his peak had a BMI of 32, i.e. well into the obese category.apsilon wrote:While one person might be overweight at 167cm and 80kg another might simply have high muscle mass and a stocky build.
Then again, he looked like this:
I imagine that most people that moan about BMI being inaccurate do not look like Mike Tyson did at his peak. Just sayin'.
Anyway, do no worry about weight. Worry about getting fit. The fat will then come off anyway . Says the 77kg, 172cm, slightly overweight guy sitting at his desk job .
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby GrumpySmurf » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:17 pm
Comedian wrote:
Apart from the exception for asians they are a great guide and the ranges they give are large enough to encompass all body types. So they are only disputed by people carrying too much weight.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby fatherofmany » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:37 pm
Great stuff mate. I know this may sound so anti-establishment but there really isn't a (Jenny, Gloria or Fitness First) formula to losing weight other than the good old calories in < calories out. You've found something that's working for you and you're enjoying it so keep it up. Also too, the quick weight loss diets are not sustainable. It went on slowly so it's probably better to take it off slowly. I had probs for years with my knees too but cycling and walking have been hugely beneficial, now I have no pain in them. Sometimes I just wonder about drs and the mainstream medical establishment.gtfpv cycler wrote:well i've lost 4.5 kg to date and counting , i must admit at 85 i was fat . at 80 i'm ok but will report back at 75 , and perhaps go lower towards 70. i do feel so much better at 80 already . i had sore knees so stopped running, then got physio mri etc nothing wrong but soft cartalidge , glucosamine did not work at all , threw them in the bin and started mixed walking jogging, the docs and physio told me i'd have this from now on , but i ran through the pain , and guess what , my knees are now strong and painless , i am starting to cycle about80kms a week and can run 3km without stopping , all in 2 months , cant wait too see what 75/70 kg feels like
And on BMI, well I'm 186 & 86 which means a BMI of 24.9, point one off overweight, yet I'm under 10% bodyfat. Go figure. It's an ok guide for sedentary folk but not accurate for anyone with muscle.
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Postby sogood » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:54 pm
I think we all have muscle.fatherofmany wrote:...not accurate for anyone with muscle.
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby Comedian » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:09 pm
There are a different BMI scales for asians. Check the international variation section.GrumpySmurf wrote:Please explain?
Comedian wrote:
Apart from the exception for asians they are a great guide and the ranges they give are large enough to encompass all body types. So they are only disputed by people carrying too much weight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index
WOW. I'm 187 and 81 kg yet I'm 18& fat according to our scales. How did you arrive at 10%? I'm a pretty big framed guy...fatherofmany wrote: And on BMI, well I'm 186 & 86 which means a BMI of 24.9, point one off overweight, yet I'm under 10% bodyfat. Go figure. It's an ok guide for sedentary folk but not accurate for anyone with muscle.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby lethoso » Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:29 pm
perhaps not http://www.bmj.com/content/339/bmj.b3292.fullsogood wrote:too much fat will adversely affect longevity while less muscle won't.
Anyway, OP: I'm 167cm and 70kg, and certainly not gaunt. I am most definitely built like a cyclist though - all my weight is in my legs, and I have small, twiglike arms.
Anyway, to further emphasise my point, here's an example of what 168cm & 69 kg can look like:
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby sogood » Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:36 pm
Note however,lethoso wrote:perhaps not http://www.bmj.com/content/339/bmj.b3292.full
1) Above the threshold there seemed to be no additional benefit of having larger thighs in either sex.
2) The adverse effects of small thighs might be related to too little muscle mass in the region.
As all, within reason.
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby wombatK » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:23 pm
To compete on any sporting world stage, you have to be a physical freak. And very few peoplelethoso wrote: Anyway, to further emphasise my point, here's an example of what 168cm & 69 kg can look like:
look anything like this fellow.
If you really want to deny what your BMI is indicating, then you can go ahead a fool yourself
into believing you are like him and that your high BMI is okay. But you won't have any medals
to show for it, and will have the health damage it is usually associated with.
The sensible thing is to realise that one swallow doesn't make a summer, nor should the
high BMI of athletic freaks make a mere mortals high BMI less worrying.
Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us -Jerry Garcia
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healthy weight (BMI)
Postby Comedian » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:25 pm
Brutal but true IMHOwombatK wrote:To compete on any sporting world stage, you have to be a physical freak. And very few peoplelethoso wrote: Anyway, to further emphasise my point, here's an example of what 168cm & 69 kg can look like:
look anything like this fellow.
If you really want to deny what your BMI is indicating, then you can go ahead a fool yourself
into believing you are like him and that your high BMI is okay. But you won't have any medals
to show for it, and will have the health damage it is usually associated with.
The sensible thing is to realise that one swallow doesn't make a summer, nor should the
high BMI of athletic freaks make a mere mortals high BMI less worrying.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby sogood » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:35 pm
Elite athletes are bad "ideal" image for us amateur exercisers, ones aiming for a good healthy life. For a start, we hear little of the amount of injuries they suffer to reach that point. All those accumulated injuries will in due course come back to haunt them in later life.wombatK wrote:The sensible thing is to realise that one swallow doesn't make a summer, nor should the
high BMI of athletic freaks make a mere mortals high BMI less worrying.
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby Anakist » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:53 pm
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Re: healthy weight (BMI)
Postby wombatK » Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:30 pm
Too true. However, a couple of workmates in their 50's illustrate there are hazards on both sides of the extreme. One hassogood wrote: Elite athletes are bad "ideal" image for us amateur exercisers, ones aiming for a good healthy life. For a start, we hear little of the amount of injuries they suffer to reach that point. All those accumulated injuries will in due course come back to haunt them in later life.
been a lifetime fitness and exercise fanatic - particularly good at endurance running - and wear on his hips got to the point that he needed a double hip replacement; to his credit, he comes with us on our weekly work bike rides (even within 6 weeks of his op). The other is seriously obese and has worn out one hip from just the wear and tear of carrying too many kg for too long. Pretty sure I know who's cardiac health is better and who'll be enjoying a longer retirement.
While our doctors advise us to do moderate exercise, the difficulty is working out where to find the right balance struck between the extremes.
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