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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby iMad » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:44 am

poeter wrote:Thanks iMad!! :D

After reading posts about your progressing success, it's been a good inspiration and extra motivation for me to push harder and further.

I've been unfit and on the big side for most of my life. So I thought this year it had to change and time to get off my bottom end to do something about it. And it feels good with all the small incremental achievements along the way of biking :)

The BIG CHALLENGE is maintaining our weight loss and healthy status. I think cycling is the perfect fit there. Good luck my friend.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 1012

Postby Johndec » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:51 pm

Johndec wrote:I'll chip in!

Age: 50
Was 116kg in July 2011. As of today 92.2kg
First ride in July 2011, 5km. Now anywhere between 20 and 60km depending on time before or after work and on weekends. Try to do at least 50km on a Sunday.
Cycling goal this year: 6,000km. Covered so far: See my sig.
Weight goal this year: 85kg which will give me a BMI under 25.


1 month update. As of today down to 90.4kg. 1.8kg lost in a month. It sure gets harder to lose weight as you get closer to your goal weight! :shock:
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Postby The Walrus » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:08 pm

Oh yea, too true. All the more reason to work harder and ride more...
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Hamster » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:55 pm

[quote="Comedian"]Cane sugar is half glucose and half fructose. Glucose is fine as it can be used directly by all of the bodies cells. Dextrose more or less = glucose.

The problem is fructose. The only path for it on the body is through the liver and converted to fat. It is of little use when exercising or at any time. /quote]

Not certain that I can agree with you that the only path for fructose is to be converted into fat.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/30965 ... digestion/

After being absorbed, fructose travels through your blood to your liver where it is taken up by specific receptors. In your liver, fructose is converted into glucose derivatives. Your body then decides whether to store it in your liver or use it for energy. After you absorb glucose, your liver takes in some of it where its fate is the same as fructose, but much of the glucose flows into your blood, which distributes it to your body's various tissues including muscle, kidney and fat tissues, which use it as a source of energy.

My reading of this is that after passing through the liver the breakdown products are treated like any other sugar. Of course any sugar taken to excess will lead to weight gain, but that isn't the fault of it being specifically sugar it just the calories it contains.

High sugar products contain lots of calories but give no feeling of fullness so over consumption is really easy to achieve.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Comedian » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:14 pm

Hamster wrote:
Comedian wrote:Cane sugar is half glucose and half fructose. Glucose is fine as it can be used directly by all of the bodies cells. Dextrose more or less = glucose.

The problem is fructose. The only path for it on the body is through the liver and converted to fat. It is of little use when exercising or at any time.


Not certain that I can agree with you that the only path for fructose is to be converted into fat.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/30965 ... digestion/

After being absorbed, fructose travels through your blood to your liver where it is taken up by specific receptors. In your liver, fructose is converted into glucose derivatives. Your body then decides whether to store it in your liver or use it for energy. After you absorb glucose, your liver takes in some of it where its fate is the same as fructose, but much of the glucose flows into your blood, which distributes it to your body's various tissues including muscle, kidney and fat tissues, which use it as a source of energy.

My reading of this is that after passing through the liver the breakdown products are treated like any other sugar. Of course any sugar taken to excess will lead to weight gain, but that isn't the fault of it being specifically sugar it just the calories it contains.

High sugar products contain lots of calories but give no feeling of fullness so over consumption is really easy to achieve.


Interesting stuff... appears to be a topic of some debate...

From Sweet Poison

We have one primary appetite-control centre in our brain called the hypothalamus. It reacts to four major appetite hormones. Three of them (insulin, leptin and CCK) tell us when we have had enough to eat and one of them (ghrelin) temporarily inhibits the effect of the other three and tells us that we need to eat. Every piece of food we consume will stimulate the release of one or more of the ‘enough to eat’ hormones once we have had enough to eat.

Fructose will not stimulate the release of any of the ‘enough to eat’ hormones. Fructose skips the fat-creation control mechanism in the liver (PFK-1) and is directly converted to fatty acids (and then body fat) without passing through either of our major appetite control gateways (insulin or CCK). Fructose is also invisible to our built-in calorie counter (the hypothalamus).

We can eat as much fructose as we can shove down our throats and never feel full for long. Every gram of the fructose we eat will be directly converted to fat. There is no mystery to the obesity epidemic when you know those simple facts. It is impossible not to get fat on a diet infused with fructose.


I'm not really sure who is right here but keeping off the sugar has worked for me. :)
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Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day. :shock: :lol:

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Hamster » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:31 pm

Our point of disagreement is really only of academic interest. Whilst I still hold that fructose is really no different to any other sugar BUT all sugars provide calories without any feeling of fullness or providing other nutrients hence they can easily be over consumed and weight gain results. See we are really reaching the same (or at least similar position) but by different routes.

Where we might differ is our positions regarding fat vs sugar. I consider dietary fat to be the far bigger villain for the simple reason that 1 gram of carbohydrate (starch or sugar) contains 4 calories whereas 1 gram of fat contains 9 calories.

In my case clamping down hard on dietary fats has worked well with weight loss.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Comedian » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:55 pm

Hamster wrote:Our point of disagreement is really only of academic interest. Whilst I still hold that fructose is really no different to any other sugar BUT all sugars provide calories without any feeling of fullness or providing other nutrients hence they can easily be over consumed and weight gain results. See we are really reaching the same (or at least similar position) but by different routes.

Where we might differ is our positions regarding fat vs sugar. I consider dietary fat to be the far bigger villain for the simple reason that 1 gram of carbohydrate (starch or sugar) contains 4 calories whereas 1 gram of fat contains 9 calories.

In my case clamping down hard on dietary fats has worked well with weight loss.


Yep... sounds good. I try and go easy on both of them if possible. The only problem with your theory is simply the abundance of each one. I just had a coffee and using trim milk for 300ml that makes for 6 grams of fat or 54 calories (actually I used 99.9% skim but we will keep it real). The issue is that a can of coke has 40g of sugars or 161 calories. So I find it's easier to avoid sugar than fat. Most breakfast cereals are 30-50% sugar. Most "low fat" yoghurts are between 20 and 30% sugar. 200g of "low fat" yoghurt usually has 60g of sugar!!!! It's easy to overdo the sugar as it's hidden in everything and in vast quantities.

The only time I hit sugar is while riding and within about 30 minutes after a long ride. Even then I avoid products with fructose or sucrose in favour of things like glucose and maltodextrin.
Once you can climb hills on a bike it's all downhill. :mrgreen:

Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day. :shock: :lol:

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby PawPaw » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:09 pm

Most breakfast cereals are 30-50% sugar??? hmmmm......try frugal Aussie low processed staples like
weetbix 3.7% of Calories as sugar
porridge from oats 0%
even Kellogg's Corn Flakes 8.5%.
yeah kids might think it is bland, but only until their taste buds normalize. or you can add fruit if you don't think fructose is toxic.

sugar content of milk, as Calories,
full cream, 28%
1% fat (by weight), 50%
trim, 43%

plain yogurts are essentially the same in energy content and composition as the milk they are made from. only a very small % of milk sugars are converted to protein or acids by bacteria. it's dead easy to make.

Tracking sugar content is easier when you eat less processed stuff, as our slimmer forefathers did.

David Gillespie needs to keep reading the literature. If primary appetite control was as he says in Sweet Poison, vertical band gastroplasty (stomach stapling) wouldn't result in consistently massive bodyfat reduction. CCK release is primarily controlled by stomach distension, which is easily achieved with enough raw fruit.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Comedian » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:19 pm

PawPaw wrote:Most breakfast cereals are 30-50% sugar??? hmmmm......try frugal Aussie low processed staples like
weetbix 3.7% of Calories as sugar
porridge from oats 0%
even Kellogg's Corn Flakes 8.5%.
yeah kids might think it is bland, but only until their taste buds normalize. or you can add fruit if you don't think fructose is toxic.


I just eat wheetbix and bran... I'm ok with it and low sugar. You should have a look in the cereal isle at most of what is on offer.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Apple » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:47 pm

Time for me to return and bring my fat ass with me. :mrgreen:
I was doing so well and then the chocolate bunny turned up :shock: with all it's mates :roll:
I must have had 6kg of chocolate in the last week, yes I am a pig :evil:
I rode yesterday and today and would have burned at least 3 bunnies. 50 more to go
I lost 6kg, 3 months ago and now I have gained 2kg. Time to go back to the salads and protein. :|
Interesting discussion guys. I find that if I eat sugar, like marshmallows and chocolate I want more and more. processed carbs and fat are also addictive for me once I start I can’t stop.
I need to stick to salads and protein, mostly fish for me. breads or cereals just make me hungry
Hamster wrote:[High sugar products contain lots of calories but give no feeling of fullness so over consumption is really easy to achieve.


This my friend is the answer
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby PawPaw » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:29 pm

Comedian, if you think the Aussie cereal isle is bad, you ought to see the US and Pom versions. Actually, it would be interesting to see what cereals the Australian Regular Army serves up for breakfast these days. So many recruits would have palates overly conditioned to sweetness.

Apple, I'm a bit like you in that I can develop enormous cravings for starch, especially bread. I've never been able to work out what triggers it. I lost 20kg in 20 weeks some time ago, and not once did I feel overly hungry and break from my 1500 Cal eating plan. Then, I got some flu bug, and never got that equilibrium back....plus the starch cravings hit. I somehow suspect late nights don't help me. If I go to bed early (8-9pm for a 430-5am start), I find my appetite stays smoother during the day. But water and lots of fibre are really important for me too. As is emotional stability. Relationship stress knocks me and my appetite around big time. And I think there's some threshold on how much exercise you do before it goes from stress to distress and overstim of the appetite. I am ok doing maybe 3-4x 30-40k rides during the week and up to 2x 70-100s on the weekend, but anymore and I want to stop at two bakeries and a pie shop on the way home.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Hamster » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:19 am

I known for some time that because of increased eating and decreased exercise that I’ve packed on a couple of excess kilograms, I had figured that I needed to lose 10 kg. This morning I took a deep breath and stood on the scales, I don’t need to lose 10 kg it's more like 15 kg.

The Noosa ride is in 14 weeks time so I have to lose 1 kg a week if I’m going to stand a good chance of completing the ride. It’s achievable but still a fairly serious undertaking. I guess that the next couple of months will entail eating sensibly (lots of vegetables) and getting in as many kms on the bike as I’m able.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Apple » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:06 pm

Hamster wrote:I known for some time that because of increased eating and decreased exercise that I’ve packed on a couple of excess kilograms, I had figured that I needed to lose 10 kg. This morning I took a deep breath and stood on the scales, I don’t need to lose 10 kg it's more like 15 kg.

The Noosa ride is in 14 weeks time so I have to lose 1 kg a week if I’m going to stand a good chance of completing the ride. It’s achievable but still a fairly serious undertaking. I guess that the next couple of months will entail eating sensibly (lots of vegetables) and getting in as many kms on the bike as I’m able.


That was me when was booked to do the TDU. :D
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby dale79 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:54 pm

only just saw this thread,

this is my journy from another forums fat club...

9/1 135.3
16/1 131.7
23/1 130.1
30/1 128.8
6/2 126.8
13/2 124.7
20/3 123.7
27/3 122.0
5/3 120.5
12/3 118.9
19/3 118.0
26/3 117.2
2/4 113.8
6/4 112.8
15/4 113.7

had a big week last week with a bucks party etc but back on track this week even with a slight knee injury etc...
ill update after weigh ins on sunday.. aim is to get to 100kg
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby BrisVegas » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:51 pm

wow, 22kgs so far this year! Great effort.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Comedian » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:22 pm

Great work D72. :)
Once you can climb hills on a bike it's all downhill. :mrgreen:

Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day. :shock: :lol:

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby dale79 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:09 am

im back on the straight and narrow this week... good food, plenty of exercise burning alomst 4000cal already this week...

hoping for 2.5kg loss this week to get me in the mood to work hard again
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby toolonglegs » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:55 pm

07/03/2010 103.0 kgs BMGrrr
25/03/2012 100.5 kgs BMI 26.7 :oops: ... aim to get down to a BMI of about 22 (82-83 kgs).
08/04/2012 97.2kgs BMI 25.8 ... be in the healthy range soon :D .
22/04/2012 95.8kgs BMI 25.45 ... binged out two days in the last two weeks :x .
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby bosvit » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:06 pm

toolonglegs wrote:07/03/2010 103.0 kgs BMGrrr
25/03/2012 100.5 kgs BMI 26.7 :oops: ... aim to get down to a BMI of about 22 (82-83 kgs).
08/04/2012 97.2kgs BMI 25.8 ... be in the healthy range soon :D .
22/04/2012 95.8kgs BMI 25.45 ... binged out two days in the last two weeks :x .

Still making progress though TLL 8)

After racing yesterday and paying the fat arse penalty I am back on the wagon that is for sure.

20/4/12 89kg aiming for 79kg
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Postby The Walrus » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:36 pm

92 kilos three weeks ago...today 88, flirting with 87!

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby dale79 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:33 pm

big week for me this week... a lot of time on the bike and on the trainer..

9/1 135.3
16/1 131.7
23/1 130.1
30/1 128.8
6/2 126.8
13/2 124.7
20/3 123.7
27/3 122.0
5/3 120.5
12/3 118.9
19/3 118.0
26/3 117.2
2/4 113.8
6/4 112.8
15/4 113.7
23/4 110.3
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby bosvit » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:04 am

Good one Walrus :wink:

Gives me someone to chase :lol:



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15kg this year is a great result, good onya!
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Hamster » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:07 am

Guys,

Last week I avoided junk food and increased my exercise – the result is that I am now 2.4 kg lighter :D :D :D . Got to keep going if I’m going to complete the Noosa Eroica which is now only 90 days away.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Abby » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:18 am

Abby wrote:Had a bad accident back in October 2010 - bike vs little old lady in white Corolla. The Corolla won... :( Took about 12 months to recover and get back on the bike (broken shoulder and arm, plus multiple surgeries).

Weight at time of accident - 84kg.
Weight in October 2011, attempting to return to cycling - 90kg.
Weight 01JAN2012 - 89kg. :oops:

Weight goal this year is to get my weight down to 70-something, and stabilise there. Basic strategy has been to calorie count, using MyFitrnessPal. Cycling goal has been 500km/month (although I haven't hit that yet, stymied by weather, illness, and work).

Weight at 01MAR2012 - 82kg. :D Everything is heading in the right direction, and I'm feeling good. Can definitely tell the difference on the hills. Will be getting back into racing again this month too...

Cheers,
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Today's Monday weigh-in - 79.5kg....!! :D

First time I have been under 80kg in over 10 years, and almost 10kg down for the year. Feel fantastic!! Hoping to lose just a few more, and stabilise in the mid-high 70's.

Stopped calorie counting (using MyFitnessPal.com) a few weeks ago, as I pretty much have my 'eating patterns' stabilised and understood now. Was basically eating 1500 calories net per day - not being obsessive about it though, but ensuring I rarely went above 2000 calories net. (by 'net', I mean I'd work on 1500 cal/day, but if I trained I would take those calories off - so if I used 500 calories cycling, I'd eat 2000 cal, making 1500 net).

Anyway - feels good to have met my big goal of getting sub-80kg. Happy days... :D The hills never felt so easy....!!

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BNA Losers Club 2012

Postby Comedian » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:34 am

Good stuff Abby, hampster and all those heading in the right direction!
Once you can climb hills on a bike it's all downhill. :mrgreen:

Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day. :shock: :lol:

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