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Protein Powder issues

Postby liamb » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:47 pm

Hi All

For about the last 12-14 months I have had stomach issues, bloated, upset stomach, stomach cramps, lack of appetite, runs, incredibly bad gas. I have had all sorts of test and doctors visits to find I have gall stones which are not considered a factor in the number that exist. I have basically spent the last 6 months using a process of elimination I have got it down to Protein Powder which causes bloating lack of appetite and the runs. The Protein Powder I use is a pure whey protein, no flavors, mixers, carbs, anti clumpers, colours. I mix the powder with skim milk, honey and diced 2 fruits for flavor. I have tried the honey and 2 fruits and milk on its own with no issues. I have no diet problems with milk, have had between 500ml to 1l pretty much every day of my life. We I get crook it lasts about 5 days to get back to normal. I am suffering from very sore muscles and I am at the age where I am needing to assist my body in recovery unlike 3 years ago.
What about protein could be causing the stomach issues??

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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby winstonw » Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:13 pm

- you can get a milk protein intolerance, which is different to a milk allergy.
- you might not be taking enough water through the day to counter a heavier protein intake.
- if you have more life stress or are more fatigued (work, home, exercise), this might be interfering with digestion, absorption, peristalsis.
- you might have any number of other allergies or intestinal disturbances that has increased your sensitivity to certain foods (reflux, colitis, crohns, IBS, etc)
- if your doctors have run out of explanations/therapies, you could try a 2nd opinion from a member of ACNEM (Australian College of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine). Ring them or check their website. Raise your gall stones with them too.
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby liamb » Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:46 pm

cheers winstonw.

All good points that may play some part in this. I now have a few more avenues to investigate. .

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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby Dr_Mutley » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:18 am

Have u eliminated lactose from the equation yet? Ie try using zymil skin milk to mix your protein? It's lactose & gluten free...
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby sogood » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:28 am

For the set of symptoms, interesting if the barrage of medical tests and reviews have not eliminated lactose and gluten intolerance. Lets hear more.
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby durianrider » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:05 am

Protein powder is a waste of health and money.

Get rid of it. Get leaner as a result.

Why do you need to supplement protein? Are you one of those vegan nutters? ;)

I know a vegan that has the most strava KOM's in Adelaide. Vegan for 12 years with no protein supplements. Must be on EPO I reckon.
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby Alien27 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:33 am

There is a lot of research going on now into intolerance to wheat and other processes grains that isn't necessarily gluten or yeast intolerance. I have had those symptoms my whole life and in the last few years started to investigate. I don't show up as gluten intolerant or allergic to any thing. The blood test for gluten intolerance returns a lot of false negatives but they are starting to find that even people who have a biopsy and test negative for phsyliac disease (like me) can still have some other sort of condition that is aggravated by grains especially processed grains.

I went gluten free and had a massive improvement in the conditions you described. But then I got clever and found gluten free bread, pasta, muisly bars and breakfast cereals. I got worse again eating two much of them. So I cut out all processed cereals and I feel like a who,e new man. Not only has the bloating, farting and constipation gone but I feel so much better overall. It sounds corny but I feel like I have had a massive weight lifted from my shoulders, I'm much happier.
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby twizzle » Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:49 pm

I got sick back in 2006. Bloated, losing a kg per week. Eventually a biopsy showed that I'd damaged the small intestine, and wasn't producing most of the disachharides enzymes.

Anyhooo.... specialist didn't have a clue. Dietician didn't have a clue. My saviour was the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, which is aimed at people with digestive issues. It's just a simplified, easy-to-eat diet which limits the amount of digestion your body has to try and perform. Some of the science is now out of date, but the basics still work. At the very least, it's easy to tolerate and might get you back on your feet while you search for the answer... which you might not find, digestive science isn't very developed.

And I agree somewhat with the above posts - why are you using a protein supplement?

Edit: I've just been refreshing my memory. So... why are you generating gas from protein? You shouldn't have bacteria in the small intestine where protein is absorbed, and if it from the large intestine then something is wrong with the small to stop the absorption.
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby liamb » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:24 pm

hi all

I am not lactose or gluten intolerant via tests and process of elimination. Generally I have a reasonable diet, I am a Type 1 diabetic so make sure my diet is as best as I can manage to ensure there are no issues that I could prevent. I try to eat a good balance across all food types as I have done all my life. I don't really like to use any supplements at all as I take a bit of pride in doing it with out supplements. Lately I have been struggling with recovery and general lack of muscle development. As part of my bi annual health check ups I see a deitition and she suggested I needed to add extra protein to my diet as I was a bit lacking for the amount of activity I do. I am using the powder as a boost when I am unable to get enough protein from fish, lean chicken nuts etc. I find it very hard to get stuck into 2 tins of tuna after a big ride. I have a pretty small appetite and sometimes struggle to get the required amount suggested and was advised that a Protein Powder without all the body builder crap was a good way to top up if needed and was more tolerable after a ride.

I know of the vegan bloke and admire his amazing ability and strict diet. I know he spends alot of time and effort ensuring had gets enough of all of everything he needs to do what he does. I spend alot of time ensuring my diabetic control is all good, trying to manage his diet might be the straw that breaks the camels back.

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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby ZepinAtor » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:31 pm

I'm personally not a big fan of protein supplementation on a regular basis, but when I do feel the need as a recovery aid I use Sunwarrior (sprouted whole grain brown rice) protein powder.

It gives you one of the best complete amino-acid profiles without relying on the by-product of milk production (whey) which is inflammatory to the human body.

In your original post you mention mixing skim milk & whey protein together which to me sounds like too much protein in one serve. The recommended maximum is 30g/2hrs. Anything over that can give you bloating/cramps/diarrhoea & gas all of which I have successfully accomplished when I thought more was better :oops:

Type 1 diabetes really throws a spanner in the works & after a few questions to the wise one in the family (Wife) she has expressed concern about triglyceride levels & the relationship to animal fats in the diet. Perhaps the gall stones/high protein intake/type1 diabetes & upset stomach are all inter-connected ?
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby liamb » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:09 pm

Hi Zep

I was pre warned not to over do the protein and as such with the powder and milk it only comes to 25g total and was told that was well within acceptable amounts in 1 sitting given exercise and a period of diet lacking in the required protein. The doctors tell me the gall stones are in such small quantities that they would not cause the issues I am suffering and especially not only with the protein powder mix.
I am trying to find a third opinion at the moment but most specialists I speak to either fob me off or suggest the same things.

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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby ZepinAtor » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:01 am

liamb wrote:I am trying to find a third opinion at the moment but most specialists I speak to either fob me off or suggest the same things.

Bill


Unfortunately that sounds all to familiar. My Wife has luckily found an amazing GP/natural medicine/alternative therapies type of guy who has solved 2 decades of problems in only the first 12 months. (Hypothyroid/digestion issues)

Keep looking for that third opinion as I'm sure somebody out there must specialise in these particular issues.

Have you gone through all the usual blood tests ? & if so has there been any recommendations for further exploratory measures ? (endoscopy, colonoscopy, CT scans ?)
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby AP81 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:16 am

A couple of things:

1) Are you taking whey isolate or concentrate? Concentrate contains some lactose and casein, whereas isolate contains almost none.
2) Are you shaking the crap out the of the protein? Air and bubbles in the protein will contribute to gas and bloating, but I don't see how it could cause 5 days of issues.

If you can drink milk with no issues, then you don't have a casein allery (milk protein) allergy or intolerance, nor do you have lactose intolerance. I would looking at the combination of fruit and protein together. Fruit breaks down very rapidly whereas protein doesn't. I only ever eat fruit on an empty stomach as it causes me issues otherwise.

I 'd try the protein with milk alone (no fruit) and see how you go.
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby orbeas » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:28 pm

:idea: protein mix from a dietition ! get one litre of skim milk add three table spoons of full cream sunshine milk powder and mix
add choc or flavouring if needed 8)
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby liamb » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:59 pm

ok here it goes, I have had every test under the sun and seen a few more specialists!. As it turns out a few years back I had a bad case of food poisoning from a sports club. At the time I just put it down to an unclean place or poor health practices in the kitchen, but as it turns out it seems that I was given a dose of Hepatitis A!!!!. Unfortunately it seems that it is something that will be with me for some time and due to some weird circumstances, when ever I do extended prolonged exercise and then consume food/energy/protein to do the exercise and recover I get the stomach issues. It could be that the Hep A is causing my stomach is getting "unbalanced" and then when I say drink milk or say consume bread I get a reaction im my stomach. There is a team of doctors trying to come up with some explanations and solutions but at this stage I am trying to manage things by limiting my prolonged exercise and continuing to eat healthy. This I am told is not a total solution/ explanation but it is a factor that is considered to be adding to the problem. I wish I had better explanations and medical terms for it all but all the guys and girls on the case are scratching their heads and muttering while reading up on historical data. The good thing is I am not really all that unwell just annoyed and uncomfortable. As much as I wanted to race this year it looks like I will have to get this sussed and then work from there.


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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby Dr_Mutley » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:18 pm

Who have u seen out of interest?
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby twizzle » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:30 pm

Geez, just read up on HepA. So much for soap and hot water!! I'll just take some metho to work and set fire to my hands after using the facilities. ;)


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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby Venus62 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:56 pm

Hep A is usually an acute infection. You get it, you're sick for a while, and then you clear it from your system. It's very different in that respect to Hep B and C. You may well have had it in the past but it seems very odd that it would be causing your current symptoms.
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby liamb » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:58 pm

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I have basically been bounced around GP's getting 2nd and third opinions and then a specialist, who's last name I cant pronounce but he is a great Indian (I think) bloke, he asked me to call him Phil???? I will try to find his name when I get home. I think he is based in or comes from Vic. I have also seen a Dietitian a while ago, Wray I think who helped try to sus out the protein thing.

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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby liamb » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:00 pm

Dr Mutley

If you have any suggestion or know anyone pass it along. This all seems very odd to me and I seem to be getting different tests and answers as I go along. I assume this thing happens from time to time.

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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby Dr_Mutley » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:07 pm

U would be talking about nick wray, who is a pretty good dietician, with good applied sports knowledge...

With no disrespect to GPs intended, I could suggest some gastroenterologists who might be reasonably useful. I'm sure u have one sussed already, but I also know a very very good endocrinologist who would be interested as well...

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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby durianrider » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:56 pm

liamb wrote:hi all

I am not lactose or gluten intolerant via tests and process of elimination. Generally I have a reasonable diet, I am a Type 1 diabetic so make sure my diet is as best as I can manage to ensure there are no issues that I could prevent. I try to eat a good balance across all food types as I have done all my life. I don't really like to use any supplements at all as I take a bit of pride in doing it with out supplements. Lately I have been struggling with recovery and general lack of muscle development. As part of my bi annual health check ups I see a deitition and she suggested I needed to add extra protein to my diet as I was a bit lacking for the amount of activity I do. I am using the powder as a boost when I am unable to get enough protein from fish, lean chicken nuts etc. I find it very hard to get stuck into 2 tins of tuna after a big ride. I have a pretty small appetite and sometimes struggle to get the required amount suggested and was advised that a Protein Powder without all the body builder crap was a good way to top up if needed and was more tolerable after a ride.

I know of the vegan bloke and admire his amazing ability and strict diet. I know he spends alot of time and effort ensuring had gets enough of all of everything he needs to do what he does. I spend alot of time ensuring my diabetic control is all good, trying to manage his diet might be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Bill


If your diabetic you want to read Dr Barnards book. Your watts per kg will go thru the roof. Im sure if I can ride literally over 210 000km with no protein powder you will be ok doing 1000k a month. ;)

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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby twizzle » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:25 pm

durianrider wrote:[If your diabetic you want to read Dr Barnards book. Your watts per kg will go thru the roof. Im sure if I can ride literally over 210 000km with no protein powder you will be ok doing 1000k a month. ;)



If you'd bothered to read the thread properly (hang on... do you ever?) you would have picked up the bit about the HepA diagnosis.
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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby liamb » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:30 pm

Mr Barnard's book is something more related to the Type 2 fat lazy useless american diabetics. I know of people who rave about the book but I cant get any of my endocrinologist specialists to agree it is for me.

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Re: Protein Powder issues

Postby Venus62 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:35 pm

liamb wrote: I know of people who rave about the book but I cant get any of my endocrinologist specialists to agree it is for me.
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Funny that... :roll:
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