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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby clackers » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:45 pm

winstonw wrote: I had a long chat with a very experienced dietitian on the weekend who said she wouldn't know how to do such calculations. :cry:


I suppose sports nutrition is a specialist area, *but* ....
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby toolonglegs » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:13 pm

If you can be bothered measuring exactly what goes in ... and out ( power meter is not on my shopping list just yet ).
Tried counting calories many times ... losing 5 or 6 kilos in the first month is always easy. It is the 2 to 3 months down the track that is the hard part.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:29 pm

And finally, some good advice...

Just eat food. Eat real food, be active, and live your life. Forget all the diet and weight loss nonsense. It's really just that. Nonsense.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... z2cZh3RwON
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby singlespeedscott » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:32 pm

casual_cyclist wrote:And finally, some good advice...

Just eat food. Eat real food, be active, and live your life. Forget all the diet and weight loss nonsense. It's really just that. Nonsense.

Amen to that. Life's to short to be starving yourself constantly or to be eating bland, unhealthy fast food.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... z2cZh3RwON
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby winstonw » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:28 pm

clackers wrote:I suppose sports nutrition is a specialist area, *but* ....


"but" hahaha..I agree. could expand on the conversation...but won't. OTOH, I refer regularly to AIS trained Sports Dietitians (with honours degrees), and they still use skinfold caliper measures for wt loss progress. After I saw the progress reports of my 4th referral, for weight vs skinfold rating, the dietitians had to admit their primary fat % measure was as good as useless. There's a lot to be said for waist and buttock measures for tracking body fat.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby winstonw » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:45 pm

casual_cyclist wrote:And finally, some good advice...

Just eat food. Eat real food, be active, and live your life. Forget all the diet and weight loss nonsense. It's really just that. Nonsense.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... z2cZh3RwON


The wisest (and nameless) authority in this field that I know of, has a lot more to say about it.
The only hint I'll give is that the most effective weight loss and maintenance regime does not involve exercise, not a skerrick.

But it would challenge most people's lifestyles and core beliefs....and therefore there's not a dollar to be made from it.

In the meantime, roll on Jenny Craig, Lite n Easy, and a hundred meal replacement outlets.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby Mulger bill » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:56 pm

I haven't weighed meself for a long time (since I had to nail the scales to the perch), say early October...
The weight typically floated between 83-86 and had done for ages.

In the meantime, I discovered the Joy of Fix :D

At the vet with the mother in laws dog, I jumped on their scale.

79.7 :D No major change to diet or extra distance involved, maybe cutting sugar from me cuppa tea but that's it.

The grin is threatening to dislodge me ears 8) Loves riding Fixed, thanks James Reid :D
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:26 pm

winstonw wrote:
casual_cyclist wrote:And finally, some good advice...

Just eat food. Eat real food, be active, and live your life. Forget all the diet and weight loss nonsense. It's really just that. Nonsense.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... z2cZh3RwON


The wisest (and nameless) authority in this field that I know of, has a lot more to say about it.
The only hint I'll give is that the most effective weight loss and maintenance regime does not involve exercise, not a skerrick.

I'm not sure the "be active" in the advice above has anything to do with weight loss or maintenance. There are lots of reasons to exercise that have nothing to do with weight. Poential benefits of exercise include energy, sleep, enjoyment, blood pressure, stress, fitness, cholesterol, mood, muscle etc. I agree with not trying to link weight loss and exercise because I find it futile to eat a choclate bar and then "burn it off" by exercising. Eat for your waist, exercise for your heart. Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby clackers » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:18 pm

casual_cyclist wrote: Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym.


Not really true, CC, but we know what you mean. :smile:
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby clackers » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:10 pm

Mulger bill wrote:
In the meantime, I discovered the Joy of Fix :D ...

79.7 :D No major change to diet or extra distance involved, maybe cutting sugar from me cuppa tea but that's it.



You're using up more calories because with the fixie you've effectively started resistance training!
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:55 pm

clackers wrote:
casual_cyclist wrote: Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym.

Not really true, CC, but we know what you mean. :smile:

You're right. But you know what I mean... http://www.thefitnessfashionista.com/abs-are-made-in-the-kitchen
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby clackers » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:17 pm

Yep, but you can't just diet your way to have abs like mine, the bodybuilder's craft is needed too.

(Kidding)
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:53 pm

clackers wrote:Yep, but you can't just diet your way to have abs like mine, the bodybuilder's craft is needed too.

(Kidding)

Agreed. I have seen people starve themselves to ridiculously thin... and they didn't have great abs, they just looked emaciated and ill.

Someone with six-pack abs explains how to get six-pack abs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JBIAPWt1Zo

In order of priority from most important to least important:
1) diet (meaning clean eating rather than "going on a diet")
2) working out
3) cardio (sprinting, not endurance)

I like his video "Sixpack Secrets: Everybody Can Get Them, But Almost Nobody Does"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLSldYfMI90
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:54 pm

casual_cyclist wrote:In Programmed to be Fat we ask the question: Are chemicals, not calories, making us fat?

Eat less, move more. That’s been the prevailing weight-loss strategy for years now, but even obesity experts acknowledge that few people who lose weight manage to keep it off.

Meanwhile, in research labs, frogs, mice and zebra fish exposed to minuscule amounts of estrogen replacement drugs, dioxins, bisphenol A and other chemicals are getting fat – very fat.
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The phenomenon is so striking that some scientists believe that common chemicals, dubbed obesogens, are messing with our hormonal systems and the natural balance of “calories in, calories out.”


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/conditions/are-chemicals-not-calories-making-us-fat/article4085893/

This early days and the documentary is upfront that this is "controversial new science" and "is raising suspicion". Still, it will be interesting to watch.

http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episode/programmed-to-be-fat.html


I managed to catch this on the weekend and it was interesting. It followed the story of obesity researchers who noticed that the calories in vs calories out theory doesn't always stack up in the real world. One example that was given is fat babies (because they can't exercise) or overeat by choice. Researchers have noticed that babies are getting fatter and fatter and have started to investigate the reason for this.

They suspect that being overweight is not just the result of too much food, too little exercise, and genetics. Exposure to environmental chemicals such as Bisphenol A, pesticides and herbicides during foetal development may be changing our physiology forever. The researchers labelled these "obesogens" and listed more than 15 suspected obesogens. The issue is with the way the body deals with calories after exposure to obesogens with evidence suggesting that affected people store a disproportionately high level of fat for the amount of calories consumed.

In one experiment, the researchers compared unaffected mice with affected mice. Even though the mice were given the same amount of food and had the same level of activity, the affected mice stored a lot of excessive fat compared to unaffected mice. This indicates some kind of metabolic dysfunction which disrupts the mice's homeostasis.

It appears that in people who are affected, that the metabolic dysfunction acts as a multiplier effect on a poor diet, causing those people to store a disproportionally high level of fat for the food they are eating compared to people with properly functioning metabolisms. It also makes them feel more hungry and less satisfied when they eat, leading to increased food intake of which a disproportionally high level of fat is stored... vicious cycle.

There were no real conclusions or solutions. What I took away from the documentary is that for people with a dysfunctioning metabolism, the standard of "eat less, exercise more" is useless. These people need to be educated about food quality, food composition and avoiding or minimising obesogens. Also, appetite control could be useful here.

It's pretty early days for the research but it's interesting nevertheless.

http://dreamfilm.ca/film/programmed-to-be-fat/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3424450/
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:38 pm

clackers wrote:
Mulger bill wrote:
In the meantime, I discovered the Joy of Fix :D ...

79.7 :D No major change to diet or extra distance involved, maybe cutting sugar from me cuppa tea but that's it.



You're using up more calories because with the fixie you've effectively started resistance training!

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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby winstonw » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:51 pm

casual_cyclist wrote:There were no real conclusions or solutions. What I took away from the documentary is that for people with a dysfunctioning metabolism, the standard of "eat less, exercise more" is useless. These people need to be educated about food quality, food composition and avoiding or minimising obesogens. Also, appetite control could be useful here.

It's pretty early days for the research but it's interesting nevertheless.

http://dreamfilm.ca/film/programmed-to-be-fat/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3424450/


Yes, but it will be decades before they tease out ultimate causes. Staying up late, chronic anxiety and work and money stress, hyperactive mind, can all dysregulate appetite and metabolism and lead to poor digestion and absorption, unbalance internal flora, etc, etc. Personally, when I go away and meditate for 10 days (Vippassana Retreats), my abnormal cravings drop away dramatically and I sleep better, have no need to overeat or drink booze or coffee. Calming the nerves and endocrine system has a lot of potential to normalize dietary preference....but this area of research into weight management is just not a 'thing' at the moment.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby singlespeedscott » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:59 pm

Must be nice to be able to go and do a 10 day retreat.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby winstonw » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:00 am

singlespeedscott wrote:Must be nice to be able to go and do a 10 day retreat.


anyone could do it for free at Pomona up the road from you...
the fact that for most, it would be anathema to
- keep their mouth shut for 10 days
- have no television, phones, computers, ipods
- meditate for 4-5 hours a day
- eat only simple vegetarian food
is indicative of how wired the nerves and endocrine glands are of most advanced economy citizens.

IMV, doing this is honestly the most powerful recuperative 'holiday' a person can have. Though the majority would rather go stuff their face and drink heaps, just as they do at home. and when they get home, wonder why they feel just as crap as before.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby singlespeedscott » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:00 am

I was just thinking of how I could tell the missus, "see ya. Can you look after the kids for 10 days whilst I go and find myself?" :laugh:
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby winstonw » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:21 am

singlespeedscott wrote:I was just thinking of how I could tell the missus, "see ya. Can you look after the kids for 10 days whilst I go and find myself?" :laugh:


traditional aboriginals do it all the time, when they go walkabout.
I've got at least 6 fifo mates who are away from their missus and kids regularly for longer than 10 days

anyway, my point is most are completely unconscious of how lifestyle choices and associated stress, effect appetite.
the more calm, the better quality sleep is, the less filled your head is with frustration and junk thoughts, the healthire your appetite and the less you suffer from unhelathy cravings.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby cyclotaur » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:26 am

winstonw wrote:
singlespeedscott wrote:I was just thinking of how I could tell the missus, "see ya. Can you look after the kids for 10 days whilst I go and find myself?" :laugh:


traditional aboriginals do it all the time, when they go walkabout.
I've got at least 6 fifo mates who are away from their missus and kids regularly for longer than 10 days....

That's not quite the same as 10 days of contemplation/meditation and abstinence....... though I'm sure it holds a certain attraction for some people. :lol:

I think for most of us it's more sustainable (mentally, physically, emotionally) to simply try to lead a more deliberate and mindful daily life in whatever work/life/family circumstances (and responsibilities) you find yourself, rather than rely on periodic 10 day retreats. Good luck to you if you can swing it (retreat) but not really practical for the majority, I wouldn't think. :wink:
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby toolonglegs » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:11 pm

I swing a few ... but then so does she. Ok not really retreats, she chases baddies in exotic places, I look after riders needs in exotic places ... come on tour of Rwanda :-) . OK, I don't relax at all, but it is a break from the routine :mrgreen:
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby clackers » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:15 pm

cyclotaur wrote:

I think for most of us it's more sustainable (mentally, physically, emotionally) to simply try to lead a more deliberate and mindful daily life in whatever work/life/family circumstances (and responsibilities) you find yourself, rather than rely on periodic 10 day retreats. Good luck to you if you can swing it (retreat) but not really practical for the majority, I wouldn't think. :wink:


Whatever people need to do is fine by me.

If a monk like existence brings calm and weight loss, thumbs up.

There are worse ways.

My mother in law when stressed simply doesn't eat and loses kilograms.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby winstonw » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:40 pm

cyclotaur wrote:I think for most of us it's more sustainable (mentally, physically, emotionally) to simply try to lead a more deliberate and mindful daily life in whatever work/life/family circumstances (and responsibilities) you find yourself, rather than rely on periodic 10 day retreats. Good luck to you if you can swing it (retreat) but not really practical for the majority, I wouldn't think. :wink:


Well that's the thing isn't it. The majority of Australians are unable to sustain healthy weight in 'whatever circumstances.....'
and they are hardly aware calming the mind and emotions influences appetite. doing so is not a weight loss strategy promoted by GPs or dietitians, yet.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby toolonglegs » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:40 am

Had to have a medical as always to get a license for next season, doc gave me an ECG.
He said it was a bit hard to get a good reading as my heart was slow. 35BPM is low for me unless I am really relaxed... usually I would expect 40BPM after rushing around... probably why it spat out " bradycardie extreme " ... but I have always had a slow heart rate.
First thing he said was "too much potassium?" ... "lets do a blood test". Well the machine spat out "hyperkaliéme possible" ... T waves too high.
Also said "HVG" , but then I have got a slightly leaky valve so no surprise there that my heart is slightly enlarged.
Doing the test tomorrow morning... he said it wasn't a big worry and still gave me the certificate.
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