Weight loss through cycling

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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby winstonw » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:21 am

too many bananas TLL :)
bradycardia is more an issue if you have a low HRmax. what's yours?
what's your BP doing these days?
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby toolonglegs » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:48 pm

BP is always perfect... HR max, yeah well there's the crunch. I recently, like two or 3 rides ago started riding with an HRM, haven't done so for 2 or 3 years. I actually thought it is reading wrong but maybe it isn't... Garmin strap on a 705. http://www.strava.com/activities/77423633 , should have gone higher considering it was pretty good paced race!. But the sprint wasn't full out as we were mixed in with a much bigger group, I would only ever get close to my max in a sprint after a hard lead out.
My max 3 years ago was 192-194.
Anyway... might start another thread as this off topic sort of... except for the bananas :lol: .
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:32 pm

This guy claims to have lost weight by quitting "sugar" but still eats dextrose. Isn't dextrose a "sugar"?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/have-you-made-a-huge-health-change/9097578/Suck-out-the-sugar-to-slim-down
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby twizzle » Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:16 pm

casual_cyclist wrote:This guy claims to have lost weight by quitting "sugar" but still eats dextrose. Isn't dextrose a "sugar"?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/have-you-made-a-huge-health-change/9097578/Suck-out-the-sugar-to-slim-down


Long-chain glucose molecules, it's broken down by saliva and pancreatic enzymes, but from memory you still need one of the disaccharide enzymes to finish the process. So if you small intestine is stuffed, you won't absorb it well. But you wouldn't absorb sugar well either. But your intestinal flora might extract a lot of energy from either. Not simple, eh?


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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:57 am

twizzle wrote:
casual_cyclist wrote:This guy claims to have lost weight by quitting "sugar" but still eats dextrose. Isn't dextrose a "sugar"?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/have-you-made-a-huge-health-change/9097578/Suck-out-the-sugar-to-slim-down


Long-chain glucose molecules, it's broken down by saliva and pancreatic enzymes, but from memory you still need one of the disaccharide enzymes to finish the process. So if you small intestine is stuffed, you won't absorb it well. But you wouldn't absorb sugar well either. But your intestinal flora might extract a lot of energy from either. Not simple, eh?

Nope. Not simple at all.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby twizzle » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:12 pm

I take it back, I was thinking maltodextrin rather than dextrose which is just... glucose. No digestion required, but it means that people with compromised digestive systems can absorb it.

In th context of the article, the reason to avoid 'sugar' is because it contains fructose which is processed by the liver and causes an increase in blood sugar without a major response for insulin or satiety.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby toolonglegs » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:21 pm

casual_cyclist wrote:This guy claims to have lost weight by quitting "sugar" but still eats dextrose. Isn't dextrose a "sugar"?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/have-you-made-a-huge-health-change/9097578/Suck-out-the-sugar-to-slim-down


He could of just saved himself a lot of time and brought everything in its natural state. Vegetables and fruit don't have labels.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby twizzle » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:48 pm

Ahhhh... But not so cheap. Eating healthy is expensive.


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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby clackers » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:55 pm

casual_cyclist wrote:This guy claims to have lost weight by quitting "sugar" but still eats dextrose. Isn't dextrose a "sugar"?



Of course it is - possibly nothing with a higher GI or insulin response.

Stop reading and posting pseudoscience, CC! :D
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby clackers » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:56 pm

twizzle wrote:Ahhhh... But not so cheap. Eating healthy is expensive.



Blanket statement, Twizzle?
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:12 pm

clackers wrote:
casual_cyclist wrote:This guy claims to have lost weight by quitting "sugar" but still eats dextrose. Isn't dextrose a "sugar"?


Of course it is - possibly nothing with a higher GI or insulin response.

Stop reading and posting pseudoscience, CC! :D

Why?
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:13 pm

sums up what I have been trying to say for a while...

We get very caught up in calories in this society and I understand that. But I don't think humans should have to count calories, we aren't born with an abacus strapped to us. We are supposed to have a balanced food system, labels that actually tell the truth and honest food companies that care about health over profit


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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby toolonglegs » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:06 pm

He cut out as much added sugar as he could... except if he was having to read labels then he was probably buying processed food all the same, maybe less processed than he originally would. But still with added sugar and salt and what ever else.
Eating healthy I am sure was expensive for you Twiz on your paleo diet ... meat is bloody expensive. I think my diet is a little cheaper ... but compared to your average non exerciser it is probably not far off ... 15 hours a week probably doubles the normal food intake!.
At 99 cents a kilo for banana's, I am glad my blood tests said all was ok with my Potassium :P .
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby clackers » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:41 pm

casual_cyclist wrote:
clackers wrote:
casual_cyclist wrote:This guy claims to have lost weight by quitting "sugar" but still eats dextrose. Isn't dextrose a "sugar"?


Of course it is - possibly nothing with a higher GI or insulin response.

Stop reading and posting pseudoscience, CC! :D

Why?


Because it's misinformation about a very important topic.

You've now linked to Damon Gameau.

As in, Benji from Underbelly? :?

Why not also ask him what we should do about Syria?

He is *not* medically trained.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby clackers » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:49 pm

toolonglegs wrote:Eating healthy I am sure was expensive for you Twiz on your paleo diet ...


Ah, I see .... the 'p' word. :)
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby winstonw » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:01 pm

toolonglegs wrote:
casual_cyclist wrote:This guy claims to have lost weight by quitting "sugar" but still eats dextrose. Isn't dextrose a "sugar"?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/have-you-made-a-huge-health-change/9097578/Suck-out-the-sugar-to-slim-down


He could of just saved himself a lot of time and brought everything in its natural state. Vegetables and fruit don't have labels.


+1...

I mean like WT?....he said he started doing research to stop his wife going Diabetes Type 2. Gees. why not just listen to your GP or dietitian mate?
and then he says when on the Gillespie diet, favorite foods included brownies and ice cream.....though he also says he doesn't crave sugar.

This has to be the dumb fat mug's equivalent of BRO SCIENCE! --> HOMER SCIENCE
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby twizzle » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:58 pm

clackers wrote:
twizzle wrote:Ahhhh... But not so cheap. Eating healthy is expensive.



Blanket statement, Twizzle?


A relatively true generalisation. Fresh fruit and vege at the lowest prices still cannot beat supermarket frozen. Calories-per-dollar is hard to beat as well.


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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby twizzle » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:03 pm

toolonglegs wrote:Eating healthy I am sure was expensive for you Twiz on your paleo diet ... meat is bloody expensive.

As mention previously repeatedly -"paleo like". Which just means I avoid processed foods where possible. Winter and a lack of cooking time has not been kind on that front, but on the digestive front I have been very lucky to get away with it.

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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:54 pm

clackers wrote:
casual_cyclist wrote:
clackers wrote:Stop reading and posting pseudoscience, CC! :D

Why?

Because it's misinformation about a very important topic.

What misinformation? I'm not telling anyone what to do (unlike some others on this thread), I'm simply posting links to articles I have found interesting. People can make up their own minds about whether they follow the advice in the article or not. You will note that I deliberately did not endorse the claims made in the article.

clackers wrote:You've now linked to Damon Gameau.
As in, Benji from Underbelly? :?
Why not also ask him what we should do about Syria?
He is *not* medically trained.

No one said he is medically trained. He is also not providing medical advice or providing any advice about what to do about Australia's burgeoning sugar consumption. What is your point? Under medical supervision (a Doctor, Chemical Pathologist and a Nutritionist), Damon is eating 40 teaspoons of sugar a day from supposedly "healthy" food sources. He is being monitored by a team of doctors and scientists from Australia, New Zealand and the USA. I'm not sure exactly what is unscientific about that?

If you want a link to a scientific paper... here's one: http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/pdf/1743-7075-10-45.pdf

"Removing sugar without replacement is obviously
good for weight loss but practically speaking, if we want
to reduce sugar consumption isocalorically, we must
consider whether to replace sugar with starch or with
another nutrient, usually fat. There are numerous studies
showing the benefit of the latter approach but few demonstrating
the value of the former."

So it is good to replace sugar with fat?
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby casual_cyclist » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:06 pm

Research says fruit is better than fruit juice... or does it?

Eating more fruit, particularly blueberries, apples and grapes, is linked to a reduced risk of developing type-2 diabetes, suggests a study in the British Medical Journal

The research looked at the diets of more than 187,000 people in the US.


http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5001

The researchers' analysis of the data showed that three servings per week of blueberries, grapes and raisins, and apples and pears significantly reduced the risk of type-2 diabetes.


However, "The studies used food frequency questionnaires to follow up the participants every four years, asking how often, on average, they ate a standard portion of each fruit."

Dr Matthew Hobbs, head of research for Diabetes UK, said the links between type-2 diabetes and specific types of fruit or fruit drinks should be treated with caution.

Some of the findings are based on a number of assumptions and models which may have distorted the results significantly.

For example, the researchers used surveys to ask participants how often they ate certain foods. This type of survey can often be unreliable as people are more likely to remember certain types of food.


So, whole fruit can reduce the risk of developing type-2 diabetes to a greater extent than fruit juice... or can it? I think I will roll the dice, assume it can, and keep eating fruit!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23880701
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby toolonglegs » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:40 pm

No worries for blueberries for me ... few hundred grams a day in my smoothies ... although they are frozen.
Hitting the magic numbers now on the scales after rides ... will not be long till I see the same waking up. Lightest I have been since placing in the Canberra 24hr back in 2000 :D .
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby singlespeedscott » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:43 pm

Nice work Ian.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby toolonglegs » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:54 pm

Cheers mate ... you know it's working when people start to say you are looking "too thin" :lol: ... still another 5 or 6 to go but it is still pretty easy as long as I get the km's in ... À la rentrée tomorrow :D :D :D ... everything gets easy again!!!
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby singlespeedscott » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:21 pm

Being skinny certainly makes climbing easier.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling

Postby toolonglegs » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:36 pm

I will never be a climber ... EVER ... I am a flat lander who loves bad weather :-)
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