BNA Losers Club 2014

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby NhiTrac » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:41 am

Can I join?

My lightest was 78 three years ago. I then got a gf, went to the States and December last year I was pushing 90kg.

As of last night I'm 85.6kg and aim is to get back to high 70s
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Parker » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:35 pm

Anyone can join :)
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby TonyMax » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:17 pm

NhiTrac wrote:Can I join?

As of last night I'm 85.6kg and aim is to get back to high 70s

What's the plan? Got a plan?

Anyone can play, just track your own thing and see if you can win your own race.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby NhiTrac » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:36 pm

Plan is to ride heaps plus maintain a healthy diet. That's it. No special formulas or anything.

Since last week I've upped my commute to 5 days a week from 3 so 5 x 70km a week plus healthy eating.

17 Mar = 85.6kg
19 Mar = 84.8kg + girl at work saying "you look slim?!" :mrgreen:
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby dynamictiger » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:58 pm

NhiTrac wrote:19 Mar = 84.8kg + girl at work saying "you look slim?!" :mrgreen:


Yeah, yeah...well slim its all relative

I'm really slim compared to last year at only 126cm...
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby toolonglegs » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:09 pm

Feb 26 ... BMI 26
Mar 19 ... BMI 26.1
Meh... not much action.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:09 pm

dynamictiger wrote:Not wanting to start some argumentative dissertation however whilst I did point out the science is bad, the observations are accurate in my case. I make both my wife and I lunches we take to work each day, our plate at dinner time is equal, our breakfast is different...I have less than she does. So as I say there is something else at play. Perhaps as you point out aerobic activity or perhaps strength overcoming aerobic need in my case.

Nobody wrote:Probably just genetics at play. Different people handle types of food differently. Some can eat more and be thinner, while someone in the same family can't. Some people even put on weight easily with a high-carb vegan diet if not portion controlled.

I think dynamictiger is right. There are other factors at play with some people, could be genetics, could be something else. One factor for some people seems to be intestinal microbiota. "an increasing number of studies have related imbalances in the composition of the gut microbiota to obesity." http://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/full/10.2217/fmb.11.142

A treatment is to transfer intestinal microbiota from lean donors to individuals with metabolic syndrome. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22728514. If this seems a bit drastic, perhaps pre-biotics and pro-biotics would be more palatable. :mrgreen:

In my view, if a person with a normal metabolic response overeats, their metabolism will speed up to compensate. If they undereat, their metabolism will slow down to compensate. I certainly don't eat the exact same number of calories every day, yet my weight over a long period remains stable. I think it takes a prolonged period of overeating for a person with a normal metabolic reponse to gain weight.

So if someone overeats and gains weight, they probably don't have a normal metabolic response. In the research, this has been labelled "metabolic syndrome" which includes "central obesity, insulin resistance, dyslipidemia (elevated triglycerides and low density lipoprotein (LDL) and decreased high density lipoprotein (HDL)), and high blood pressure" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399393/. It seems that liver fat is particularly important. "The contribution of either whole body fat or fat distribution or individual fat depots to insulin resistance is moderate, but liver fat has a closer association with (hepatic) insulin resistance. Although liver fat is associated with visceral fat, its effect on insulin resistance is independent of visceral adipose tissue." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23107255

It has even been proposed that metabolic syndrome be re-defined as a fat storage condition. "We propose that the metabolic syndrome be changed to fat storage condition to more clearly align with its etiology." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3660463/

That being said, metabolic syndrome can be reversed through lifestyle changes. While I don't approve of the methods in this trial, it does demonstrate this: https://www.usana.com/media/File/Prospecting%20page/Tools/US/Optimizers/EN%20drStrand-low.pdf
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Toolish » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:29 am

17/02/2014 - 91.2kg.
24/02/2014 - 90.2 kg
3/03/2014 - 89.9kg
10/03/2014 - 89.9kg
17/03/2014 - 90.2kg
24/03/2014 - 89.7kg

Down a bit due to a bit more volume of training. really need to start going to be earlier though, staying up to watch Milan - San Remo has written me off for a couple of days.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:56 pm

I realised I haven't formally weigh in. I think I will do fatty friday too:

28/03/2014: 95 kg
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby TonyMax » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:26 pm

18/3 - 82.1
31/3 - 83.8 went for a light walk at lunch time today, hope to be back on the bike for a couple of easy laps of the local lake some time this week.

Target 79.9 for the rest of the year (ASAP and then maintaining until at least early December).
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Toolish » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:39 pm

17/02/2014 - 91.2kg.
24/02/2014 - 90.2 kg
3/03/2014 - 89.9kg
10/03/2014 - 89.9kg
17/03/2014 - 90.2kg
24/03/2014 - 89.7kg
31/03/2014 - 89.6kg

Happy just to not go up given a week of cold and flu!
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby NhiTrac » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:39 am

17 Mar = 85.6kg
19 Mar = 84.8kg + girl at work saying "you look slim?!"
01 Apr = 84.4kg
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Farmer Elvis » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:47 pm

19 Mar = 84.8kg + girl at work saying "you look slim?
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:32 am

fatty friday weigh in:

28/03/2014: 95 kg
04/04/2014: 94 kg (better drink some water)
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Comedian » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:58 pm

I'm going to pop my head in here and wish you all the best. You're all on the way!

Some of you may remember I joined in some of the earlier threads around this. I went from 108 to 76kg in around 9 months (I'm about 186cm), starting just on four years ago. Mostly it was from going from totally inactive to active. Sunday is four years since my first ride to work. :)

Anyway, I've been tweaking my diet along the way. I think I'm getting pretty fixed now on what works for me. I went through a very high carb phase after seeing a sports dietitian, but most recently a LC HF phase a while back. I probably put on a little weight - but only because I thought I could eat as much as I wanted so accidentally the quantities drifted up. Also I noted that my performance on the bike was suffering a little bit on longer rides. It made me feel far healthier than the HC diet. Anyway, now I'm mostly LC HF, but I'm eating more moderate portions. I think it's all about balance and this resonated with me.

http://www.healthylivingheavylifting.com/how-clean-eating-made-me-fat-but-ice-cream-and-subway-got-me-lean/

Before and during sport rides I lay into the carbs though. It's working pretty well for me. I'm over three years at the same weight. If anything I seem to have grown into my flabby skin a bit if that makes sense. A co worker who went away for a year and recently came back described me as "more buff". :)

What's more - even if I go on holidays I don't really beef up. And I'm happy. And it's awesome. Keep at it everyone - it can be done ! :)
Once you can climb hills on a bike it's all downhill. :mrgreen:

Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day. :shock: :lol:

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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:01 pm


It's a great article. Starting off with Ice Cream and Subway Got Me Lean but the truth is buried in there...

Most of my foods certainly came from nutrient-dense, minimally processed sources, and I was a meat and veggie-eating machine.


That was the key for me too.. eat mostly nutrient-dense, minimally processed foods but also eat pancakes, bread, pasta, ice-cream and chocolate. The problem for me was that my quantity of nutrient-dense, minimally processed foods dropped too low. Then the weight came back on.

Comedian wrote:What's more - even if I go on holidays I don't really beef up. And I'm happy. And it's awesome. Keep at it everyone - it can be done ! :)

Great work! And thanks for the encouragement.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby TonyMax » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:03 am

18/3 - 82.1
31/3 - 83.8
7/4 - 84.2 I hope to be back on the bike this week, at lunch time if not a commute.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby dynamictiger » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:25 am

A little update from my efforts to date.

Last three to four weeks I haven't been able to ride as much as I was or want too. Unfortunately at times my work demands I use a car.

However I have been religously following the dietary advice, swimming at the weekends and attending fatness for fitties. My waist size says I am loosing weight. But the scales tell me I have increased to a mere 135.8 kg.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby casual_cyclist » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:39 pm

dynamictiger wrote:However I have been religously following the dietary advice, swimming at the weekends and attending fatness for fitties. My waist size says I am loosing weight. But the scales tell me I have increased to a mere 135.8 kg.

Waist trumps scales. Sounds like you are doing well to me.
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby brawlo » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:28 am

17/3/2014 115.1kg
8/4/2014 115.3kg

I fell off the wagon just a tad the last couple of weeks, consuming a little more goodness(badness) than I should have, but still not too bad. That and the persistent rain has limited my bike riding as I have my trainer and old bike packed out of the way to assemble the frame work for my new bike home. I started on the weights last week too, with a couple of sessions programmed in this week in preparation for hitting my winter program at full tilt next week. 4 weights sessions per week coming right up!

Faster better bigger stronger.......... and hopefully lighter!
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Stefan_A » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:36 am

17/3/14 92.4
24/3/14 90.3
31/3/14 89.8
7/4/14 89.0
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby casual_cyclist » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:55 am

fatty friday weigh in:

28/03/2014: 95 kg
04/04/2014: 94 kg (better drink some water)
11/04/2014: 92 kg (don't get excited, it's just dehydration)

Once again demonstrating how stupid scales are as a measure... I weighed in light this morning due to dehydration :oops:

Long story short, I went for a walk by the river before dinner, got carried away and walked for 2 1/2 hours, got home late, ate dinner and forgot to rehydrate before bed. It was also a hot night so I sweated some more out. I want to re-hydrate and see if I can hit at least 93 kg by the time I get home from work. Nice walk though... :mrgreen:
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby dynamictiger » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:25 am

So last week I weighed in at a smidge under 135kg. This morning I was thinking lighter thoughts and in a better mood than last week and came in at 131.4. Or I was wearing heavier clothes last week or something?
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby Stefan_A » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:09 pm

Comedian wrote: I think it's all about balance and this resonated with me.

http://www.healthylivingheavylifting.com/how-clean-eating-made-me-fat-but-ice-cream-and-subway-got-me-lean/


I presume by balance you mean if you don't want to gain or lose weight, you have to balance Calories in with Calories out.
You also seem to be saying you are comfortable eating more fat and less carbs, than recommended by the sports dietitian. Care to quantify that, as 'more' is a word that doesn't mean much when sharing anecdotes.

Is the source of your higher fat intake mostly animal products?
Is this higher fat intake for weight loss or maintenance?
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Re: BNA Losers Club 2014

Postby PapaJohn » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:36 pm

I think I'll weigh in here. It might be a bit late, but I've made some losses since the start of the year. This might be the motivation needed to be a bit more conscientious about things.

85+ in late December (my scales are not very accurate) I weighed myself at the start of April after 3 months of riding on roads a minimum of 170km a week. It initially wasn't so much about the weight as fitness. I've made no changes of any significance in my diet and even binge once a month maybe. (copious beers and packets of chips and nuts - all the good stuff) The riding is coming up a treat. What took me 135 minutes when I started now can take as little around 90. That's an average speed of just under 29kph. Not exactly racing material, but WAY better. Acceptably fit and getting better weekly, though I'd be happy to maintain this level of fitness.

The weight?
Jan 1 85+kg
April 1 77 kg

70 kg would be nice by June - Realistic? I'm 168 cm and on the wrong side of 60. I'm not worried about going bang. (recent physical. Real good stats)

Probably.

A question I have is am I better off increasing the duration of rides or the number of them to lose the weight (now I'm not putting so much time into it, each time I ride, to improve the speed is no longer the goal)
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