Blow out heart rate

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Re: Blow out heart rate

Postby Squashed » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:29 am

jlh wrote:I haven't broken 180 yet. As a 31 year old I don't know if its because I'm not pushing hard enough or just have a low limit. Above 175 I get pain in the middle of my back over the left side (same side as heart) and feel like I'm about to pass out so guess its close to my theoretical max.

you probably never will go over 180. Everyone has a different maximum heart rate. Most average people have a maximum heart rate between 140-160 beats per minute. Professional athletes are between 170-190.

You should talk to your doctor about the back pain you get when getting close to your maximum heart rate. You might also want to get an ECG stress test with ultrasound. People can have heart problems at any age and back pain while exercising (even when pushing it) is a warning sign that something could be wrong. Please see your doctor and get an ECG stress test with ultrasound.

I might sound like someone who works for a cardiologist, but anyone who experiences any of the following symptoms either during exercise, after exercise or even while resting should see their doctor immediately, and get your heart checked. Don't just have the doctor listen to your ticker but get them to send you off for an ECG Stress test with Ultrasound.

1) Uncomfortable pressure, squeezing, fullness, or pain in the center of the chest that lasts more than a few minutes or goes away and comes back
2) Pain or discomfort in one or both arms, the back, neck, jaw, or stomach
3) Toothache
4) Shortness of breath with or without chest discomfort
5) Cold sweat
6) Nausea
7) Lightheadedness
8 ) Overwhelming, sudden fatigue
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Re: Blow out heart rate

Postby DuncanS » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:18 am

Squashed wrote:Most average people have a maximum heart rate between 140-160 beats per minute. Professional athletes are between 170-190.



I can't let this statement go unchecked. The typical ranges you suggest would be typical threshold values, not maximum heart rates.
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Re: Blow out heart rate

Postby matagi » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:48 pm

Squashed wrote:
I might sound like someone who works for a cardiologist, but anyone who experiences any of the following symptoms either during exercise, after exercise or even while resting should see their doctor immediately, and get your heart checked. Don't just have the doctor listen to your ticker but get them to send you off for an ECG Stress test with Ultrasound.

If by doctor, you mean GP - then I must take issue with this recommendation. You should be seeing a cardiologist first and probably getting a CT angio before being sent off for a stress echo.
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Re: Blow out heart rate

Postby mikeyg63 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:09 pm

For those of you interested I have been officially diagnosed with Super Ventricular Tachycardia (SVT) by my Cardio. He has since referred me to another Cardio who is an Electro Physio. Further investigations and discovery are yet to be done, however, there is a chance that they can perform Ablation surgery to rectify the problem. I would urge everyone to wear a Heart Rate Strap and at the first sign of an abnormally high rate to go and get yourself checked out.

Another interesting thing happened to me on my regular commute and I want to let other readers know about it just in case it is a solution for them also.

A few weeks ago on my commute to work I had an SVT episode. I will admit I was pushing it and the moment I saw the BPM push through 150 I backed right off.....too late!! BPM jumped to 210 and sat there. No worries I thought. There's a hill coming up I'll just get off and rest for a few minutes. Was resting and the BPM fell to 150. I had cooled down too then all of a sudden it went back to 210 BPM...Panic stations set in as this is highly unusual. It wouldn't come down again even after such a long rest. A nice passerby noticed me sitting down and my shortness of breath and called an ambulance where I was carted off to St.Vincents.

Now, I'm not too sure of the physiology behind this but what the Ambo did was amazing. In the back of the Ambo he got me to blow into the pointy end of a Syringe and asked me to blow hard enough so as to push the plunger back out. With all my might I did this and blacked out for a brief couple of seconds but lo and behold my heart rate plummeted from 210 BPM to 60 BPM.

Until I get my SVT sorted out you can guess what I now carry with me on my rides to work?

Again, I would stress that anyone with similiar symptoms get themselves checked out.
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Re: Blow out heart rate

Postby cyclotaur » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:39 pm

SVT - I used to get those, and told my cardio I thought it was stress related as they never occurred during exercise, just came on randomly, often when I was actually under some work or life pressure (hence my stress theory). I'm actually more relaxed during exercise than any other time, know my limits and don't push too hard. He disagreed, dismissing my theory with a wave of the hand.

I went to him for regular checks for 3-5 years but avoided any treatment or medication. Whilst the first few were slightly alarming and went on for as long as 20-25 mins I learned how to stop them very quickly myself, and return the heart rate to normal within no more than a minute or two at most.

In the end he was asking me how things were going, stress-wise, as I arrived in his rooms as more recent research had indeed shown a correlation between general stress and idiopathic, non-exercise related SVT. As my general stress levels peaked and then decreased through that period the episodes largely abated. I don't think I've had more than one or two short episodes in the last 7-8 years, and can't recall any since I retired and took up cycling 4 years ago.

Of course, every case is different. But that's my story.
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Re: Blow out heart rate

Postby CKinnard » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:41 pm

Thanks for the update Mikey. SVT is a growing problem according to my cardiologist.

FWIW, I've had a US physician friend suggest getting my bodyfat under 10% and eating a low fat diet (10% of total Calories), backing off from hard efforts, and keeping rides under 3 hours.
I had SVT about 7 years ago and a couple of incidences since....but none in the last 3-4 years. However, my HRrest is similar to yours. It can get very low at night (30-45).
Be aware too that drinking alcohol and dieting can predispose to SVT. The other thing the physician emphasized is to be sensible about my total stress levels. If more stressed off the bike, reduce stress when on it.
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Re: Blow out heart rate

Postby mikeyg63 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:36 pm

cyclotaur wrote:SVT - I used to get those, and told my cardio I thought it was stress related as they never occurred during exercise, just came on randomly, often when I was actually under some work or life pressure (hence my stress theory). I'm actually more relaxed during exercise than any other time, know my limits and don't push too hard. He disagreed, dismissing my theory with a wave of the hand.

I went to him for regular checks for 3-5 years but avoided any treatment or medication. Whilst the first few were slightly alarming and went on for as long as 20-25 mins I learned how to stop them very quickly myself, and return the heart rate to normal within no more than a minute or two at most.

In the end he was asking me how things were going, stress-wise, as I arrived in his rooms as more recent research had indeed shown a correlation between general stress and idiopathic, non-exercise related SVT. As my general stress levels peaked and then decreased through that period the episodes largely abated. I don't think I've had more than one or two short episodes in the last 7-8 years, and can't recall any since I retired and took up cycling 4 years ago.

Of course, every case is different. But that's my story.



Good to see your SVT is under control Cyclo and even better that cycling reduces your stress. How old are you if you don't mind me asking? And what age was your first SVT episode?
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Re: Blow out heart rate

Postby mikeyg63 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:45 pm

CKinnard wrote:Thanks for the update Mikey. SVT is a growing problem according to my cardiologist.

FWIW, I've had a US physician friend suggest getting my bodyfat under 10% and eating a low fat diet (10% of total Calories), backing off from hard efforts, and keeping rides under 3 hours.
I had SVT about 7 years ago and a couple of incidences since....but none in the last 3-4 years. However, my HRrest is similar to yours. It can get very low at night (30-45).
Be aware too that drinking alcohol and dieting can predispose to SVT. The other thing the physician emphasized is to be sensible about my total stress levels. If more stressed off the bike, reduce stress when on it.


No problem CK.

Not too sure if I'm under 10% in body fat. In old measurements I'm about 6ft and weigh about 93kg's. Ideal weight and bloody hard for me to get to would be 85kg's. That's interesting your Physician friend suggested rides under 3 hours. From what I read it seems that endurance efforts over the long term can bring on heart problems, like SVT. It's kind of annoying really. We think we're doing the right thing by exercising on the bike and then it turns out that too much is not good. Like everything I suppose.

Glad to see you've kept your SVT at bay for the last 3 to 4 years.
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Blow out heart rate

Postby cyclotaur » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:21 pm

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Good to see your SVT is under control Cyclo and even better that cycling reduces your stress. How old are you if you don't mind me asking? And what age was your first SVT episode?

I think I remember SVTs occurring in the the late 80s (my mid-30s) though I didn't realise what they were. I had a beauty when travelling in France in 1994 (driving around with wife and two young kids!), still not understanding what it was.

I suffered various levels of stress/anxiety from my mid-30s to late-40s ... not too unusual I guess, for a guy with a growing family and some normal work/life pressures going on. This was the period during which the SVT episodes were pretty regular, though never exercise related. I used to run 30-35 kms per week in those days with no problems.

I stopped running (dud knee) and put on weight and had big battles at work in my late 40s which had me seeing the cardiologist re: SVT around that time. I suffered a few anxiety attacks and had an echo-stress test at one point which cleared me of any issues (see an earlier post of mine in this thread) and these results actually helped break the cycle of stress and anxiety for me, I think. I now felt I understood what was going on and took steps to reduce stress and improve my health.

For 35 years I always thought I'd be playing golf in retirement but I've hardly hit a ball in the last 10 years.

I turn 59 next week, the day I arrive in Venice to do 2 weeks of riding in the Veneto and Dolomites.

Wish me luck - I may need a little! :)
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Re: Blow out heart rate

Postby CKinnard » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:57 pm

mikeyg63 wrote:That's interesting your Physician friend suggested rides under 3 hours. From what I read it seems that endurance efforts over the long term can bring on heart problems, like SVT. It's kind of annoying really. We think we're doing the right thing by exercising on the bike and then it turns out that too much is not good.


What I meant by the 3 hours thing is to ride for shorter durations than 3 hours. To me, 3 hours is not endurance riding.
We talked about whether the heart might be more damaged by maximal efforts or long durations in the saddle.
He seemed to think sprints are more likely to cause emboli to break off sclerosed arteries, whereas endurance riding may result in electrolyte disturbances if hydration is poor.

I am familiar with the literature saying endurance athletes are more likely to suffer arrythmia, but he thinks coronary muscle is similar in vulnerability to skeletal muscle. And it is short sharp intense efforts that scar skeletal muscle more so. Although lots of endurance exercise can hypertrophy heart chambers and compromise vascularity and conductivity.

His view is it's probably a combination of coronary atherosclerosis, systemic inflammation, heart hypertrophy, heart muscle scarring, electrolyte/fluid imbalance, and stress hormones that results in arrhythmia formation....which is why a whole systems preventative health approach is judicious.
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