Shiftwork: Don't do it
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Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby warthog1 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:06 pm
If you can avoid it, do so.
If you can't, you might as well be aware of the cost.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby DavidS » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:06 am
This is what really gets me when politicians talk about how we shouldn't pay penalty rates. They have no idea, maybe the pollies who want this should be forced to work rotating shifts for 6 months and see how it affects them.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby rodneycc » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:50 am
My father was a factory worker working shift work all his life ( 6pm to 6am night shift for a lot of it). And he is fit and still kicking along at 82yo! I really don't know how he did it.
Edit: Was really interesting back then to see the city (Melb) around the clock throughout the week. The way it almost transformed itself on Fridays ( different vibe altogether) through until Sunday and then Sunday night things would slowly get back to normal ready for the working week. Just interesting.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby fat and old » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:23 am
9-5, 5 days a week and some Saturday O/T (7-3.30 for the manual guys/girls) is a thing of a past. We must welcome our new technological globalist leaders and embrace the smart economy! It's not their fault. Blame Tim Berners-Lee, Paul Kunz and the rest of the WWW team. Now you white collar people know what it's been like for the rest of us since society decided to take responsibilty for all. Blame all of you who want to ride/drive around during the day without those pesky roadworks messing you up. Blame yourselves for wanting public transport 24/7. Water, electricity and sewerage 24/7. EMS 24/7. And so on.
But yeah, shift work sucks. Thank you to those who take it on and provide me with a superior standard of living.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby Tim » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:54 am
5 years at sea working commercial fishing as a deckhand. Insane hours.
2 hours on deck winching, sorting, iceing and packing, 2 hours rest whilst trawling. This process could run for 5 days. Never more than 2 hours sleep at a grab. Try sleeping in a rough sea on a smelly, noisy and dirty fishing boat.
Other fisheries such as deep Bass Straight scalloping typically between 24 to 36 hours of continuous sorting, bagging, storing, heavy physical work with little more than a 10 minute break. A nightmare. I experienced auditory and visual hallucinations (no drugs) on one trip, just absolute exhaustion and sleep deprivation.
Local (Lakes Entrance) fishing usually entailed a 2.00am departure from home, steaming out to the fishing grounds, set-up gear, start trawling on dawn, work till nightfall, return to port, unload, go home around 8-9.00 pm, rinse and repeat for as long as the weather held out, sometimes weeks on end.
The mental and physical fatigue was constant, even after 12 hours catch-up sleep, and just became a "normal" state of being you learnt to live with but never really adapted to.
For a change of pace (I thought) I moved up to the Vic Alps and trained as a paid DSE (bush) firefighter.
That was worse than fishing. 2003 saw the first of a succession of the massive, campaign style large scale mega fires that ran for months on end.
Combine minimum 12 hour shifts rotating day/night, physically enduring work, fear and adrenaline, things came to a head around 2008.
No more.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby Top_Bhoy » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:50 pm
The money was pretty good and I could deal with the lifestyle it imposed but eventually I had to call a halt to it and get out such was the demands on my health where I felt in a constant state of fatigue. Now in my early 50's I haven't forgotten that period in my career and those who do rotating shifts have my total empathy.
I agree with DavidS and pollies not having a clue of what's involved when cutting penalty rates.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby Cheesewheel » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:32 pm
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Do you work more than 39 hours a week? Your job could be killing you
The only safe option left is to become a full time bicycle riding hobo
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Postby mikgit » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:33 pm
Also had variety of those shifts from time to time over the years (eg the same Sat/sun 6-3 shft, but after a 5-11pm shift at another site, even though we were supposed to have a 12 break...yeah right.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby g-boaf » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:19 pm
I used to do long hours as a developer/designer and it wasn't good, felt incredibly tired at the end of it. I still do long hours if I factor in the commute time I have as well, that's also pretty long. The timetable changes have made my commute now much longer. But it's only for a few more months when work moves closer to home.Cheesewheel wrote:Another contender
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... althy-life
Do you work more than 39 hours a week? Your job could be killing you
The only safe option left is to become a full time bicycle riding hobo
Another thing is the always connected way some workers are. You've got to resist that, not answer emails after hours if at all possible. You need your own time free from that. And you'll be more productive when you are at work if you are fully rested.
Exactly right, and they also have the luxury of being taken about in a white Caprice everywhere, or helicopter trips paid for by the taxpayer (Bronwyn Bishop), so they are woefully out of touch with the working class. Makes me more amazed that some people bend over backwards to support politicians so much.Top_Bhoy wrote:I agree with DavidS and pollies not having a clue of what's involved when cutting penalty rates.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby R12RT » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:21 pm
How you cope with shiftwork depends on the shift pattern and how well you can manage your fatigue.
My current pattern is 12 hour shifts. Two day shifts followed by two night shifts then six days off. My shifts start at 5am or 5pm. The only issue with this is that you pretty much work, sleep, and eat from when you start your first day shift to when you finish you last night shift.
I've no plans to work Monday to Friday any time soon.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby Mulger bill » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:21 pm
It's when there's gaps in the roster that trouble starts. Pretty much down to mgmts poor recruiting and not having sufficient qualified relief staff
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Postby lone rider » Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:15 pm
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:34 pm
CKinnard wrote:
warty, which shifts have you trialled them coming off?
We do 2 14hr night shifts followed by 2 10 hr day shifts. After the night shifts I have trouble sleeping at night again and go to work very tired.
I am on my first day off today and got to sleep OK at about 2300 last night. My wife woke me up twice ( we had words )
I had one at 0100 this morn and slept until 0930.
The previous night I had one before going to bed but woke for a p1ss at 0200. Needed a restavit to get back to sleep.
Our roster rates pooly on the FAID score.
It is our choice to change it to a forward cadence hopefully, still bad but markedly better. It just means starting days off jet lagged.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby Nobody » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:39 pm
Yes, but you're under no pressure to sleep well. That alone can help people get to sleep. As you may know, one of the worst attitudes to sleep is to try to get to sleep. The more one tries, the harder it can become. An older colleague (now retired) once taught me that you should lie down and just relax. Even if you don't sleep, it still does the body benefit and in many cases people do slip off to sleep for some time. They just can't remember it, so it appears to them that they didn't sleep at all.warthog1 wrote:It is our choice to change it to a forward cadence hopefully, still bad but markedly better. It just means starting days off jet lagged.
Also lets face it. You'd be doing all your customers a favour by changing the roster as you'll be more awake/sharp on the job. In your line of work that might help to save someone's life.
Backward rotating shift rosters are the worst IMO and just contribute to more accidents at, or travelling to or from work. I aim to never do one again.
A tip I learnt - also from the same older colleague - on forward rotating 12 hour rosters, was to sleep as little as possible during the day on the first day off after the last night shift. That way you get back into a normal sleeping pattern faster.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby warthog1 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:29 pm
I used to do that way back when. Sit up and potter on the computer etc. It used to work better but I was also alot younger.Nobody wrote:Yes, but you're under no pressure to sleep well. That alone can help people get to sleep. As you may know, one of the worst attitudes to sleep is to try to get to sleep. The more one tries, the harder it can become. An older colleague (now retired) once taught me that you should lie down and just relax. Even if you don't sleep, it still does the body benefit and in many cases people do slip off to sleep for some time. They just can't remember it, so it appears to them that they didn't sleep at all.warthog1 wrote:It is our choice to change it to a forward cadence hopefully, still bad but markedly better. It just means starting days off jet lagged.
Also lets face it. You'd be doing all your customers a favour by changing the roster as you'll be more awake/sharp on the job. In your line of work that might help to save someone's life.
Backward rotating shift rosters are the worst IMO and just contribute to more accidents at, or travelling to or from work. I aim to never do one again.
A tip I learnt - also from the same older colleague - on forward rotating 12 hour rosters, was to sleep as little as possible during the day on the first day off after the last night shift. That way you get back into a normal sleeping pattern faster.
Branch meeting soon and I will be arguing the case.
Thanks for the post You are correct with the pressure to sleep. It is a feedback loop and a terrible feeling. That is why I have started using sleepers to counteract the situation, Not a good long term solution
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby foo on patrol » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:24 pm
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby warthog1 » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:06 pm
foo on patrol wrote:Doesn't help when you are dead tied and past when you should have gone to bed, then you just toss an turn!
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Terrible feeling Foo.
Those 3mg melatonin tablets I bought from iherb get me to sleep.
I plan to use them as little as possible.
No next day hang over.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby foo on patrol » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:46 am
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
Postby warthog1 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:42 pm
They get me to sleep no probs. I have only taken them twice.foo on patrol wrote:I think that I may look into those Warty. How long does one work for, if it is 4-5hrs, then that would be great.
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First time I woke again 3hrs later and couldn't sleep. I knew I had to be up in 4 hours time and it stressed me out, so that didn't help.
Next time there was no work the next day and I slept solid for 7 hours.
I have just ordered some time release Melatonin and I'll see how that goes. I can't find over what period it is absorbed by the body, but I assume it wouldn't be appropriate for Heavy Vehicle driving whereas the rapid onset should be.
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Re: Shiftwork: Don't do it
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