Riding tips for MTB Noobs
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby Matthewb » Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:44 pm
I may be a noob now, but there are *heaps* of tracks I've been drooling over for years, so I'll pick up experience eventually and if a $2k DS will allow me to actually attempt the tracks without falling to pieces that would be great.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby jheeno » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:26 pm
from memory when I was picking .
a reign is all mountain, your ride stance is more sitting up
anthem is more a race stance ... your more leaning forward
like most others i opted for the in between - trance
look for the 2011 model, they are heavily getting discounted because the 2012 models are coming
http://www.bikeexchange.com.au/ <- will give you an idea of price ranges.
You can get by on say an x3 model (e.g. trance x3), i paid a bit more for an x2 because I wanted the propedal switch and slightly better components.
Price of the bike might help a skillful rider get faster lap times but i'm not sure that a more expensive bike will make a beginner learn MTB skills faster hardtail or dual suspension
ive got two bikes
hardtail for short trail racing (say 4km single track)
and a dual suspension for a long cross country ride say a 4 hour ride for comfort.
With my hardtail I learn to pick my lines where I noticed that on my dually, I just smash through the trails without looking more closely at the best line for the ride (which is kind of bad in a way)
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby trailgumby » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:42 pm
The Reign is going to be a lot more bike than you need. The geometry is a lot more oriented to technical trail riding, with a shorter top tube and slacker head angle it is much more about descending. A mate bought one instead of the more cross-country-ish Yeti 575 and is now regretting it, as I kick his butt going uphill on my Cannondale, where it used to be the reverse. It's typically what a downhiller would ride when they have to ride back up hills, but aren't looking to set any records, so there's a risk you could be lured in to attempt stuff that's over your head.
The Trance X is more of an all-round bike and you will see a lot of them on all-day trail rides. It would be the most popular style of bike around Sydney. If you can get closer to $2800, then the Anthem 29er is *really* worth looking at - it's a great bike.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby jheeno » Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:55 pm
I now climb hills faster on my trance but my mates all keep saying its my fitness instead of the DS biketrailgumby wrote:The longer the ride, the more you appreciate DS. Trance X3 is a great first dually, but the propedal you get with a Fox RP2 or RP23 does make a difference when the trail points upwards so if you can pick up the X2 for only a few hundred more I'd do it.
The Reign is going to be a lot more bike than you need. The geometry is a lot more oriented to technical trail riding, with a shorter top tube and slacker head angle it is much more about descending. A mate bought one instead of the more cross-country-ish Yeti 575 and is now regretting it, as I kick his butt going uphill on my Cannondale, where it used to be the reverse. It's typically what a downhiller would ride when they have to ride back up hills, but aren't looking to set any records, so there's a risk you could be lured in to attempt stuff that's over your head.
The Trance X is more of an all-round bike and you will see a lot of them on all-day trail rides. It would be the most popular style of bike around Sydney. If you can get closer to $2800, then the Anthem 29er is *really* worth looking at - it's a great bike.
anyway for comparison ...
my trance x2 was 2100 (2011 model)
if you compare an x3 to an x2, the fork is the same so really its just the brakes, 10 speed and propedal on the rear sus (fox float rp2)
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby Matthewb » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:27 pm
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby jheeno » Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:40 pm
surely you can go for a road trip to save on $$Matthewb wrote:Just stopped by the bike shop and they had a 2012 Trance X2 in stock for $3000 (!!) reduced from $3600, said he could get a 2011 Trance X3 for $2000 but couldn't go lower in price. They are the only option unless I want to travel 200km to visit the next bike shop (which I don't). Anyway, I'll think about it overnight!
http://www.bikeexchange.com.au/bikes/li ... derBy%5D=0
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Postby trailgumby » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:01 pm
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby A_P » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:35 pm
The only criticism i can give is the lower BB height, but thinking of going 2x10 to sort that out.
It might be worth your while to look at brisbane / GC shops for a better deal. It is only a days drive from armidale.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby Matthewb » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:36 am
Edit: Just noticed the 2012 Talon 0 29er for a smidge over $1000, jee I seem to be changing my mind every day! I did look into getting different wheels/tyres/fork for my seek but its a great commuting bike the way it is and it would be a pain swapping the bits every weekend. I see nothing wrong with having a loungeroom full of bikes, so now I'm thinking a talon 0 for forest trails now, and later when I convince myself I should spend $3000+ on a bike I could get a high end, full on dual suspension to cruise over boulders and off cliffs, etc. Perhaps the best way to overcome indecisiveness is to just buy more bikes!!
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby drubie » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:10 pm
After many, many months of fail I finally cracked the bunny hop. I liked it so much I did it all the way home today. Can't believe it's that easy and how stoopid I've been about simply lifting my feet. It was that simple.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby Nobody » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:51 pm
Good for you.drubie wrote:Woo-hoo!
After many, many months of fail I finally cracked the bunny hop. I liked it so much I did it all the way home today. Can't believe it's that easy and how stoopid I've been about simply lifting my feet. It was that simple.
Is that with SPDs or flats? They both require slightly different techniques. I could bunny hop with SPDs but found when I went to flats that I couldn't. After some youtube videos and a few more months, I got it though. I don't think I'll ever be jumping up onto tables, but I can clear gutters anyway.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby trailgumby » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:04 pm
Haha, well done. It's still something I don't get right every time - I worry about smacking my back rim into the kerb and dinging it so I don't practice as much as I should.drubie wrote:Woo-hoo!
After many, many months of fail I finally cracked the bunny hop. I liked it so much I did it all the way home today. Can't believe it's that easy and how stoopid I've been about simply lifting my feet. It was that simple.
Maybe I need to nick a log from my neighbour's woodpile and practice jumping that.
I can't sustain a pedal wheelie either.
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Postby drubie » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:08 pm
SPD's. Can't imagine doing it with flats at the moment (although I get the idea you have to muscle the bike by rotating it via the handlebars). I can get about gutter height so far. Jumping onto tables = a little beyond me I think. I do however get the idea that jumping over stuff is wicked fast if you can "flow" - I guess I'm about due for an epic stack on a bit of single track now, overconfidence FTW!Nobody wrote: Is that with SPDs or flats? They both require slightly different techniques. I could bunny hop with SPDs but found when I went to flats that I couldn't. After some youtube videos and a few more months, I got it though. I don't think I'll ever be jumping up onto tables, but I can clear gutters anyway.
Oh - and the wheelie is next. I'm very close on that one.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby trailgumby » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:51 pm
Some of the singletrack we rode had lots of technical step-ups. It was satisfying riding up those - pedalling up to them, ratcheting the cranks to the correct position, hoiking the front wheel up, and then picking up the back wheel and placing it on top, rinse and repeat.
Really enjoyed the ride, some of it was quite technical (read: we walked it) but didn't have a whole lot left at the end, especially after the last climb out. Covered about 30km. Thought I was OK with recovery yesterday arvo, but everything was stiff and sore when I got to work this morning and it was about an hour before I could conduct an intelligible conversation, even after coffee
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby Nobody » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:54 pm
I thought I got the idea too. That is precisely why I couldn't do it. I didn't realize I needed to rotate my feel forward and scoop the bike up. Counter intuitive really.drubie wrote:SPD's. Can't imagine doing it with flats at the moment (although I get the idea you have to muscle the bike by rotating it via the handlebars).
With an XC saddle height it is hard to get much more than gutter height so don't be disappointed if you don't get much more. Also try to avoid bunny hopping logs if you are not super confident you can do it. Up onto ledges is OK, but when you're already in the air and your back tyre hits the log, it can get ugly. You know how I know...drubie wrote:I can get about gutter height so far. Jumping onto tables = a little beyond me I think. I do however get the idea that jumping over stuff is wicked fast if you can "flow" - I guess I'm about due for an epic stack on a bit of single track now, overconfidence FTW!
Like TG, not something I ever mastered properly, but for XC, as long as you can get the wheel up to that height confidently, that is probably all you are ever going to need to do. The rest is for showing off.drubie wrote:Oh - and the wheelie is next. I'm very close on that one.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby Nobody » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:01 pm
Could be dehydration. I used to suffer from that on a Monday after a big ride. For me, usually indicated by a headache. These days I try to force myself to drink about a 1L more than I think I need that afternoon, which helps.trailgumby wrote:Thought I was OK with recovery yesterday arvo, but everything was stiff and sore when I got to work this morning and it was about an hour before I could conduct an intelligible conversation, even after coffee
Went for a short MTB ride yesterday with my new style of taking things real easy and just being there to enjoy it and learn. Not to do aerobic training. Don't want anymore fractures this year. My local is just too technical to do tired.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby drubie » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:21 pm
I would kinda like to show off Last time I rode MTB I was amazed at the skills on display and it made me very jealous. The off-the-hook downhill mudslides, well, not so much, but the tricky little hops, jumps and berm riding without missing a beat = want.Nobody wrote:Like TG, not something I ever mastered properly, but for XC, as long as you can get the wheel up to that height confidently, that is probably all you are ever going to need to do. The rest is for showing off.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Postby trailgumby » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:27 pm
I've found too that there is a minimum speed as well... if I try to take it too relaxed and easy I end up being clumsy, slipping on sandy rocks or stalling on bits that at normal pace I'd just flow over, and generally end up having anything but a relaxed and easy time,
It's a good reason to do group rides from time to time - you pick up a lot from watching what other people do.
Berm riding... definitely an acquired skill. Take a look at my video on the Golden Jubilee Field thread. I can see myself making regular pilgrimages there. My skills suck at tehe moment.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby Eugene » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:37 am
Why oh why do I keep getting logged out when I go to reply, three times so far todaydrubie wrote:SPD's. Can't imagine doing it with flats at the moment (although I get the idea you have to muscle the bike by rotating it via the handlebars). I can get about gutter height so far. Jumping onto tables = a little beyond me I think. I do however get the idea that jumping over stuff is wicked fast if you can "flow" - I guess I'm about due for an epic stack on a bit of single track now, overconfidence FTW!Nobody wrote: Is that with SPDs or flats? They both require slightly different techniques. I could bunny hop with SPDs but found when I went to flats that I couldn't. After some youtube videos and a few more months, I got it though. I don't think I'll ever be jumping up onto tables, but I can clear gutters anyway.
Oh - and the wheelie is next. I'm very close on that one.
Bunny hops are great, used to love hopping the old 10 speed racer when I was in high school, could pull a fair wheelie on it too, a town block was about average, but I have not tried for over 20 years.
Spent Saturday Arvo riding with my young bloke around Glenrock on my new GT, I forgot how much fun off road stuff is, I will be back this weekend.
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Postby drubie » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:22 pm
It is fun and a good MTB encourages all sorts of juvenile behaviour. I busted a spoke today on an epic launch that saw the Norco flying through the air and me w000ting like an idiot. Still worth it. This wasn't just a bunny hop though, this was a NASA launch (well, comparatively). I am kinda sore through my upper body though, it's a different kind of physicality than just endurance riding.Eugene wrote: Bunny hops are great, used to love hopping the old 10 speed racer when I was in high school, could pull a fair wheelie on it too, a town block was about average, but I have not tried for over 20 years.
Spent Saturday Arvo riding with my young bloke around Glenrock on my new GT, I forgot how much fun off road stuff is, I will be back this weekend.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby drubie » Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:53 pm
For some reason I can't fathom, the MTB d00ds of the happening, now generation call them "manuals". When I was growing up, a manual was found in the glovebox of your Kingswood.eeksll wrote: could not even get the front wheel off the ground more than a couple of inches.
Anyway, after chasing kids off my lawn etc. I have also tried the "manual" and found myself severely wanting. I have also had my first big scare (popped off my favourite jump and it went waaaaaaay too high and ended with me over-rotating and landing on the front wheel).
...so I reckon asking these young'uns how their manual works and how do execute it on a duallie. I know the theory (and have no trouble popping up my front wheel on my hardtail) but damned if I can hold it up there. I'm lead to believe it involves feathering the rear brake and getting your weight WAAAAAY over the back axle.
Once you do it, be careful because over confidence will lead to pants staining accidents.
but really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
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Re: Riding tips for MTB Noobs
Postby Shifter » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:55 pm
It's a borrowed term from skateboarding, US in origin.drubie wrote:For some reason I can't fathom, the MTB d00ds of the happening, now generation call them "manuals".eeksll wrote: could not even get the front wheel off the ground more than a couple of inches.
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