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Tire Widths

Postby Rusty6149 » Fri May 10, 2013 12:59 pm

Hi Folks,

I'm looking at swapping my worn out WTB 26x2.1 tyres for some Conti X-Kings, on my Felt Q620. The X-Kings come in 2 widths 2.1 and 2.4 - I'm leaning towards the 2.4's - but I'm concerned about frame clearance.. The WTB 2.1 is pretty wide, but I'm reading the Conti's come up small - Anyone had any issues with the 2.4s clearing the frame ?

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Re: Tire Widths

Postby trailgumby » Sat May 11, 2013 10:40 am

Most XC frames that come stock with 2.1's would max out at about 2.3. Remember you need to allow for tyre deformation under load as well as mud clearance

I run Schwalbe 2.25's (NN front RR back) and the traction improvement over 2.1" is very worthwhile, and it rolls better too.

No experience with Conti's except a failed attempt to fit a bargain-bin Vertical Pro onto a DT Swiss X-430 fitted with a Stans kit. Seriously tight bead, wasn't worth breaking my tyre levers just to get it on. :shock: Maxxis and Schwalbe UST, not a problem.
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby Rusty6149 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:34 pm

Well I fitted the Conti 2.4's - fit fine on the front, and a slight amount of frame rub on the rear.. which is annoying - I don't think the wheel is set at an angle.. I've reseated it several times, and the rub is just on about 10cms of the tire.. does that mean the wheel is not quite true ?

Only other alternatives are to downsize :( or maybe re-bend the frame slightly ? .. which is not what I'd want to do.

Tires seem OK, and pretty confident over sand and pea gravel.

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Re: Tire Widths

Postby slidetaker » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:39 pm

Sometimes I wonder can we trim down the rubbing knobbes on the sides to fit.... it is not like we need the knobbes on the edges at most times.

Regarding tire width and clearance, I am surprised people ain't using the metric over imperial....

Seen plenty of 1.95" tyres wider than 2.1" when you read the metric....(although tyre makers can take the width measurement differently)...
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby Duck! » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:01 pm

slidetaker wrote: I am surprised people ain't using the metric over imperial....

'Cos mountain biking has never truly broken away from its American roots, everything is still measured imperially, just like Over There.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby trailgumby » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:54 am

If the tyre is rubbing at any point, it is *much* too wide for the frame. You need to allow for mud clearance and rim flex as noted above. Follow your frame manufacturer's recommendation. Frame tubes are really thin (typically <1mm wall thickness), it does not take much wear to fatally compromise the structural integrity of the chainstays - not worth the risk. :(

It's fine to go with a narrower tyre on the rear, and it's a common setup among the guys I race with. You'll notice a slightly less plush ride but it won't affect handling all that much. I'd also suggest a lower tread height tyre for the rear as well for improved rolling resistance. Example: I run a semi-chunky Nobby Nic on the front with a Racing Ralph on the rear. Works great. Great cornering confidence* and rolling resistance is comparable to Crossmarks.

I used to run a 2.1 on the rear / 2.25 front but now use 2.25 both ends because it rolls a little better. When I go 29er I want to try a 2.4 on the front.

* with the front tyre mounted reverse direction to manufacturer recommendation - more predictable
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby optiumcarbon » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:07 pm

i have had 2.4 on my boardman mtb with no porblems with clearance front and rear
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby Mugglechops » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:47 am

A 2.4 X-king does not fit on the rear of my Trek 29er.

I have been running one on the front for just over 12 months and love it. I stick with a 2.1 on the rear though.

Very easy to run it down to about 25psi on the front tubeless.

You can see below how there is not much room for a wide rear tyre.

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Re: Tire Widths

Postby trailgumby » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:58 am

What happened to all your gears? :shock:

:lol:

PS: what do you think of those rubber-cased tail lights? I think they're quite OK for brightness, but not that great for battery life between charges.
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby Mugglechops » Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:42 am

trailgumby wrote:What happened to all your gears? :shock:

:lol:

PS: what do you think of those rubber-cased tail lights? I think they're quite OK for brightness, but not that great for battery life between charges.


They all fell off back in November :D

The tail light is very bright but I need to recharge it once a week and sometimes twice. Normally on my other bikes I have it paired with another battery one.
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby trailgumby » Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:35 pm

Mugglechops wrote:They all fell off back in November :D

The tail light is very bright but I need to recharge it once a week and sometimes twice. Normally on my other bikes I have it paired with another battery one.

Damn! Sounds like you need a bigger torque wrench ;) How're the knees?

Yep that fits with my experience of those lights. I keep forgetting to pull it off the bike and stick it on charge :oops:
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby Mugglechops » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:26 pm

trailgumby wrote: How're the knees?


Good actually.

Not sure how they will be after what looks to be a very muddy Husky100 next Saturday.
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby zero » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:27 am

trailgumby wrote:What happened to all your gears? :shock:

:lol:

PS: what do you think of those rubber-cased tail lights? I think they're quite OK for brightness, but not that great for battery life between charges.


They are really reliable in wet conditions. One of mine break because the usb connector is weakly mounted and can break, but even 40km on a wet day on the roadbike won't turn them off if they are charged.
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby trailgumby » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:29 pm

Mugglechops wrote:Not sure how they will be after what looks to be a very muddy Husky100 next Saturday.

A lot of our local guys have elected to give it the miss this year. Sick of destroying their bikes. Word is the singletrack is fine, but the fire trails have too many unavoidable bogs. And there's lots of fire trail.

A singlespeed would work, though. If I were you I'd take an extra bottle of clean water and a couple of sets of spare brake pads - you will need them. Otherwise budget for replacing your brake calipers - you'll likely wear through the pads and backing plate to the piston :shock: ... if some of my friends' experience is an indication.

Good luck :)
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby Mugglechops » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:45 pm

trailgumby wrote:
Mugglechops wrote:Not sure how they will be after what looks to be a very muddy Husky100 next Saturday.

A lot of our local guys have elected to give it the miss this year. Sick of destroying their bikes. Word is the singletrack is fine, but the fire trails have too many unavoidable bogs. And there's lots of fire trail.

A singlespeed would work, though. If I were you I'd take an extra bottle of clean water and a couple of sets of spare brake pads - you will need them. Otherwise budget for replacing your brake calipers - you'll likely wear through the pads and backing plate to the piston :shock: ... if some of my friends' experience is an indication.

Good luck :)


Yes you are correct I rode sweep last year and my bike took a hammering. Plus they are my local trails with the dirt starting about 150 metres from my front door. I avoid riding anywhere near after rain.

Most likely be called off now anyway with all this rain.

And we better stop hijacking this thread :D
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby trailgumby » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:59 pm

Mugglechops wrote:And we better stop hijacking this thread :D

Oops! :lol:
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby Nobody » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:01 pm

Mugglechops wrote:And we better stop hijacking this thread :D
What? Destroy a BNA time honored tradition? :D
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Re: Tire Widths

Postby Mugglechops » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:19 pm

Ok then.

Husky100 is postponed so I will have to wait to do it again.
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