Both your bike's sound nice and bring back memories of my first MTB that i bought with my first (real) pay check about 25 yrs ago. It was a candy apple red Giant Sedona. Absolutely loved that bike, paint was so thick it still looked like new after 4-5 yrs.......until some lowlife stole it from the back verandah......wish i still that bikecranky-1 wrote:Yes I can well understand you wanting to stay with the 26 NACHIE, as I say I'm still in love with the Giant I bought brand new and will never part with it. Shines up looking like new when I clean her . Also it was mentioned about hard rubbish, I manage to pick up an old Giant iguana 640 the other day. Old skool made up of 4130 chro mo its a sweet looking old thing in candy apple red. I can feel a 26 tourer coming out of that one.
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Postby koshari » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:10 am
given you can still find new 650a/26 x 1 3/8 tires i agree you may see then cruising round for some time yet.Nobody wrote:26ers are dead when they stop making tires for the type of riding you want to do with them. Somehow I think that might be far longer than many realize.
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Postby cranky-1 » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:21 am
MMMMMMMM Yes Very Nice-drool drool.mikgit wrote:and just to prove, no not dead... 26ers are all great
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Postby ForkinGreat » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:50 pm
Marketers and bike shops would have you believe 26ers are dead. Only because they want to sell you new 650b/27.5 or 29er bikes.cranky-1 wrote:Hi All
I ride a roadie around locally to do things like shop and go a couple of suburb's away as well as some real long distance rides.
Anyway I have a pretty nice Giant MTB which I started on a few years before the Road bike. As of last few months I have been doing some pretty heavy duty and distance on my MTB and have become quite fond of it again.
There is a hard Rubbish collection been on in the area and if I had a dollar for each old 26in I saw well. Its to be added that I'm riding a 26 and just would be interested in finding out weather it really is old and dead or do many of you still ride 26in with regularity, I would just like to gauge.
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Banshee bikes manufactures Rune and Spitfire frames that come with both 26er and 650b dropouts. I was riding a Specialized 2008 Enduro 26er. I upgraded the 26er wheels and fork, and was able to put them on my Rune frame (all-mountain/enduro) when I wanted to move the Specialized on.
There are LOTS of 26er tyres still manufactured and sold, as well as factory made wheelsets, rims and 26er suspension forks.
Suspension Forks with a straight steerer are getting harder to come by, but you can still buy 26er forks with tapered steerer tubes.
If you aren't racing elite XC, it doesn't matter a damn what wheel size you have. lots of decent 26er bikes and parts on the 2nd hand market.
for dirt jumps, tight technical trails and gravity trails & DH , 26 rules.
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Postby Duck! » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:38 am
From the bike shops' perspective it's very much a forced position. The manufacturers, for better or worse, have decided that to a very large extent the bike buying public can't have 26" anymore. Yes, spare parts are still reasonably readily available, but in terms of new bikes, the shops can't sell what they can't get.ForkinGreat wrote: Marketers and bike shops would have you believe 26ers are dead. Only because they want to sell you new 650b/27.5 or 29er bikes.
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Postby ForkinGreat » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:26 am
Yes, I agree. it is a forced position. If you want a new complete 26er bike, in Australia, generally you are SOL.Duck! wrote:From the bike shops' perspective it's very much a forced position. The manufacturers, for better or worse, have decided that to a very large extent the bike buying public can't have 26" anymore. Yes, spare parts are still reasonably readily available, but in terms of new bikes, the shops can't sell what they can't get.ForkinGreat wrote: Marketers and bike shops would have you believe 26ers are dead. Only because they want to sell you new 650b/27.5 or 29er bikes.
on the other hand, if a person doesn't like paying RRP, and maybe buying a 2nd hand frame/bike, or buying a bike OS or getting one made (or Banshee ), then there is a lot still available.
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Postby outnabike » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:02 am
Hi Duck,Duck! wrote:From the bike shops' perspective it's very much a forced position. The manufacturers, for better or worse, have decided that to a very large extent the bike buying public can't have 26" anymore. Yes, spare parts are still reasonably readily available, but in terms of new bikes, the shops can't sell what they can't get.ForkinGreat wrote: Marketers and bike shops would have you believe 26ers are dead. Only because they want to sell you new 650b/27.5 or 29er bikes.
My wife is a shorty and loves her little USA made Breezer with an 8 speed Alfine set up.
Are they now just going to come out with the same frames in 700 size wheels just for economies of manufacturing scale? I would have thought there would always be a place for the smaller wheels.
I mean it that's the case we may as well give up on kids sizes as well.
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Postby bychosis » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:52 pm
Economies of scale is a big joke. They need to manufacture different types of rims for different types of riding anyway, strong for off road, average for hybrids and lightweight/aero for on road. And their original argument for going 29er (700c) for mountain bikes (same as roadies) has gone out the window with 27.5 anyway.outnabike wrote:Are they now just going to come out with the same frames in 700 size wheels just for economies of manufacturing scale? I would have thought there would always be a place for the smaller wheels.
I mean it that's the case we may as well give up on kids sizes as well.
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Postby cranky-1 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:51 pm
As a sideline I see Beach cruiser tyres kicking around cheap at Big W I think.
Are you able to use them on an around town MTB ? Obviously not for trails.
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Postby Duck! » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:17 pm
No, it's not just a matter of subbing bigger wheels in the same frames; the geometry needs to be revised in order to make the bigger wheels fit, especially as frames get smaller. Sections of frames, such as rear stays are common across all sizes of a given frame, they just change the dropout lugs to reposition the seat stays at higher or lower angles to suit the size. In the case of dual suspension bikes, the whole rear end including linkages is shared across all sizes.outnabike wrote: Are they now just going to come out with the same frames in 700 size wheels just for economies of manufacturing scale? I would have thought there would always be a place for the smaller wheels.
I mean it that's the case we may as well give up on kids sizes as well.
Most of it is mucketing guff; they've decided that enough of the bike buying public have been sucked in by the bigger is better mantra, or that it's the latest new thing everyone has to have, so that's what they're all running with.
Economiy of scale possibly plays into it a little bit, which is why it's very rare (but has happened) to see different wheel sizes on different size frames within a model line. The rim diameter might be the same for road, hybrid & 29" MTB, but that's where the similarity ends, so it's not like they can buy rims by the million & stick the same ones in every bike in the range. The comment about kids' bikes is a pretty wide shot, because it's simply not possible to fit adult-sized wheels in kid-sized frames, therefore kids' bikes won't depart from the size progression that currently exists.
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Postby hedgehog » Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:46 pm
650b is not new but old.its only 1.25cm in radius more than 26 inch.low shot
from the main bicycle industry in my opinion.
why should i buy a new bike when its still got spoked wheels and chain drive?
for how we may think bicycles have improved they are still old under thous two aspects
in my opinion.and by the way,what about crome alloy frame?all we got as new is mild steel
aluminium and carbon fibre.
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My R631 Voodoo Wanga hardtail is a joy to ride
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Postby Jash Rider » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:30 pm
I like the 26 inch format as it's almost like riding a large bmx. With riser bars and some 2.5 inch tyres, there's almost nothing you can't do on a 26 inch bike.
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Postby hedgehog » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:33 pm
is going to be hard too kill.strong adult size wheel,just the right size to be punished in tight corners
and jumped down cliffs,i recon its a safe size for the most demanding Adrenalin junky.
iv bought a second hand 650b mtb for $50 about 2 years old,hydo disk brakes and taperd head stearer.
not much chain drive wear at all.in my opinion if the industry wants wider diameter wheels,it should
improve the strength of rim material and quality of true.a $600 mtb with the wheels buckled not in premature
way but in a dangerous way.i think in my opinion for a beginner is a bad experience that will ride them away
from cycling.in my opinion i think the industry should think safety first and marketing money second,it could
work better for them in the long term.
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Postby singlespeedscott » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:09 pm
For fast XC the current crop of 29er XC race weapons cannot be beaten by a 26" wheeled bike when using 2.2" tyres.
For general trail riding I think the consumer is better off using the current crop of 650b plus sized trail bikes. Roll over is as good as a 29er in the rough stuff and cornering grip is is in another realm. The move to long and slack trail geometry also gives you a lot more confidence in fast rough stuff. However I have to admit I am not a huge fan of the huge wheel flop associated with this geometry when slowly grinding up twisty stuff.
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Postby Nobody » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:51 am
Also anyone who is very heavy (150kg+) I'd tend to recommend 26" with a high spoke count.singlespeedscott wrote:I think the 26" wheel is dead for performance MTB but there is still a demand in the touring community.
Thanks for posting.singlespeedscott wrote:For fast XC the current crop of 29er XC race weapons cannot be beaten by a 26" wheeled bike when using 2.2" tyres.
For general trail riding I think the consumer is better off using the current crop of 650b plus sized trail bikes. Roll over is as good as a 29er in the rough stuff and cornering grip is is in another realm.
This confirms my thoughts from what I've read and 27+ probably best suits what I do these days if I were to buy new. However my 26" using 2.2" tyres is probably also fine for many years to come as I'm not particular. Since I still ride rigid too.
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Re: 26ers are they dead and buried?
Postby Usernoname » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:47 am
I've recently moved from an '11 Epic 26er to a 27.5+ HT. Great fun bike and rolls over chatter soooo much better than 26". It's got 3" tires so yes bit a slog. 2.8's are probably better suited to general trail riding, but with this model it would drop the BB to an unacceptable level. It can take 29" wheels and will probably get a set with 2.2 tires for longer rides. One of main reasons to move on was I just couldn't get the tires I like anymore (and a good deal going on the + bike). Still have an old '07 26" HT and will keep it going for commuter etc.singlespeedscott wrote:I think the 26" wheel is dead for performance MTB but there is still a demand in the touring community.
For fast XC the current crop of 29er XC race weapons cannot be beaten by a 26" wheeled bike when using 2.2" tyres.
For general trail riding I think the consumer is better off using the current crop of 650b plus sized trail bikes. Roll over is as good as a 29er in the rough stuff and cornering grip is is in another realm. The move to long and slack trail geometry also gives you a lot more confidence in fast rough stuff. However I have to admit I am not a huge fan of the huge wheel flop associated with this geometry when slowly grinding up twisty stuff.
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